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Old 01-07-2012, 08:28 AM   #29
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In my area (Texas) the distributor adds the dye so he tells me. He cannot get "high sulfur" diesel since its no longer refined in the US. Canada must still be refining high sulfur.
Actually, U.S. refiners still produce about half a million barrels a day of non-highway distillates. Some is used for heating oil, the rest for non-highway diesel uses, including railroad, marine, agriculture, power generation, etc. It will all be gone by 2014, though (except for heating oil, which is separately regulated at the state level). See
Locomotive, marine and non-road diesel fuel standards begin at later dates. - Clean Diesel Fuel Alliance if you're interested.
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Old 01-07-2012, 08:31 AM   #30
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A number of posters on the Turbo Diesel Register have reported the use of this new technology. You can believe it or not; I honestly could not care less.

If you believe I've maliciously or intentionally lied with what I've posted, feel free to report me and my posts to the Administrators of this board.

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A huge case of someone messing with fuel taxes.

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Old 01-07-2012, 08:54 AM   #32
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Rusty, I was just asking for facts, sorry if that offended you.
When I was a boy, I didn't "run home to mama", and there is no need for me to contact anyone now. I think the creditability of your posts speak for themselves.
My concern is
other diesel additives that may have red dye in them being confused for the red dyed diesel, and someone, including me, being unnecessarily hassled from a questionable search procedure.
I am sorry that you do not share that same concern for your fellow RV'er. Have a nice day
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Old 01-07-2012, 08:58 AM   #33
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Any fuel additive that had dye in it would be so diluted in a full tank of diesel fuel that it would not even be detectable.
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Old 01-07-2012, 09:36 AM   #34
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Any fuel additive that had dye in it would be so diluted in a full tank of diesel fuel that it would not even be detectable.
According to the ASTM,
26 CFR 48.4082-1(b), which mandates that all tax-exempt diesel fuels be dyed with an amount of Solvent Red 164 at a concentration that is spectrally equivalent to 3.9 lb/103 bbl (11.1 mg/L) of Solvent Red 26.

The fuel dye has been designed to be easily detectable. It is visibly detectable even at dilutions of 1:50 or 1:100. Use of optical analytical equipment can detect dilutions of 1:5000

While the dye does not damage or stain components of the engine, it's ability to be detected in trace amounts mean that, in suspected cases, forensic examination of engine parts (e.g. fuel filter or fuel pump) to extract samples of fuel may be worthwhile, even if tainted fuel is not detected in the main tank.

At 8 pints to a gallon, one pint of red dyed additive added to a 100 gallon fuel tank would yield a 1:800 ratio, well within detectable standards.

Solvent Red 164 is used to dye petroleum based products ranging from ATF to some fuel additives. Now add a "false positive", misread device, or some other anomaly to a 'tailpipe' test.... Hence my concern.
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Made you look

That's interesting. I thought there would be more red dye.
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Rusty, I was just asking for facts, sorry if that offended you.
When I was a boy, I didn't "run home to mama", and there is no need for me to contact anyone now. I think the creditability of your posts speak for themselves.
My concern is
other diesel additives that may have red dye in them being confused for the red dyed diesel, and someone, including me, being unnecessarily hassled from a questionable search procedure.
I am sorry that you do not share that same concern for your fellow RV'er. Have a nice day

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I was just looking for an actual location, just one location, where you know firsthand that this practice is occurring, as oppressed to something being repeated and repeated on internet boards, more of the nature of 'urban legend' than real. Certainly, as an engineer, you can appreciate the validation of facts.
I'm sorry I can't give you an exact time and date but the best I can recall it was hot so that means it was sometime between late April to late October and somewhere around 12-2 pm. The location was the Houston County Livestock Auction located on Hwy21W in Crockett, Tx. Thats 'bout all I have to say I guess. You may want to call them and see if someone can validate my story.
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Do not know if it is actually occurring yet but it looks like it is on the way. Development of a simple field test for vehicle exhau... [Talanta. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI
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wa8yxm I think you have that backwards. On-road diesel is not dyed, off-road diesel is tainted with red dye. The amount of on-road diesel sold would make adding dye more expensive for the distributor vs off-road quantity sold.

The journalofaccountancy.com explains everything.


That is quite possible.. I know one is dyed one is not, Was not sure which.
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My on-road diesel fuel tanks all have a locking cap. Probable cause is the only way an enforcement officer can legally make me remove the cap. When they do have/show cause, I'll remove the cap so they can find clear diesel fuel. I'm not much of a gambler.
There is supposedly another method to discover the burning of dyed diesel fuel. Something about swiping the tail-pipe residue.I've never read a first-person account of that though.
Enjoy your night in jail, and watch as you vehicle is being impounded with a big expensive wrecker Suggest you might want to re-think your locking out the Dye police procedures.
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I wonder if the dye could be filtered out????
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Have a sneaking suspicion the dye could be removed chemically - - - But the cost probably would be more than the taxes you didn't pay - - - and just a little bit will cost $10 grand in federal fines - - - handled by the IRS no less for the feds and I don't think the state inspectors have much of a sense of humor either.
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