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Old 02-13-2012, 09:17 AM   #15
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North Dakota and Montana have an estimated 3.0 to 4.3 billion barrels of undiscovered, technically recoverable oil in an area known as the Bakken Formation.

If it's undiscovered, how do they know how much is there?
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Old 02-13-2012, 09:40 AM   #16
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North Dakota and Montana have an estimated 3.0 to 4.3 billion barrels of undiscovered, technically recoverable oil in an area known as the Bakken Formation.

If it's undiscovered, how do they know how much is there?
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I'm not sure if it will matter how much domestic production of oil is increased. They will sell it to the highest bidder, wherever that is.

The recent debate over the Keystone pipeline should emphasize this. It was promoted as moving Canadian oil into the US. Well, if you look at where the final terminus is proposed you will see they are going all the way across the US to a sea port in Texas. If you want it in the US you could stop somewhere in Nebraska. If your intent is to export it you need to go to a port.

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The recent debate over the Keystone pipeline should emphasize this. It was promoted as moving Canadian oil into the US. Well, if you look at where the final terminus is proposed you will see they are going all the way across the US to a sea port in Texas. If you want it in the US you could stop somewhere in Nebraska. If your intent is to export it you need to go to a port.
The huge refinery population in the Houston, Texas City and Port Arthur area of the Texas Gulf Coast has been located here since the 1930s. These refineries receive crude oil from U.S. pipelines as well as by barge from the Intracoastal Waterway and from international oil tankers. They ship refined products out the same way - pipeline, barge and tanker as well as railcar. The refinery resources don't exist in Nebraska to handle the Canadian Tar Sands oil.

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I'm not sure if it will matter how much domestic production of oil is increased. They will sell it to the highest bidder, wherever that is.

The recent debate over the Keystone pipeline should emphasize this. It was promoted as moving Canadian oil into the US. Well, if you look at where the final terminus is proposed you will see they are going all the way across the US to a sea port in Texas.
The pipeline will be built after the election, regardless of which party is in office.
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Not that I agree, but after much research on why our diesel is between 70 And 90 cents more than gas, I was told that much of our production goes to Europe as they predominently use diesel vehicles and have no refineries of there own. Less than 10 years ago, diesel in the states averaged a dollar less than gas. Now you know why they keep making the prices go up.
If the prices creep up, not much is said, but if it leaps up, then they hear about it.
Diesel is a by product of the refining process of gasoline.
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Not that I agree, but after much research on why our diesel is between 70 And 90 cents more than gas, I was told that much of our production goes to Europe as they predominently use diesel vehicles and have no refineries of there own. Less than 10 years ago, diesel in the states averaged a dollar less than gas. Now you know why they keep making the prices go up.
If the prices creep up, not much is said, but if it leaps up, then they hear about it.
Diesel is a by product of the refining process of gasoline.
The vast majority of the American public doesn't care what Diesel fuel costs. The only are what gasoline costs. Prices are basically being set
At points near our tolerance. Diesel went up far more because there is no political pressure to keep it down. Shipping prices can reflect the the price of fuel, but the price of gasoline is far more sensitive to consumer pressure than shipping rates.
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The vast majority of the American public doesn't care what Diesel fuel costs. They only care what gasoline costs. Prices are basically being set
At points near our tolerance. Diesel went up far more because there is no political pressure to keep it down. Shipping prices can reflect the the price of fuel, but the price of gasoline is far more sensitive to consumer pressure than shipping rates. Long story short, keep your tires inflated properly and keep your speed down. You are in for a bumpy ride.
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Americanize the oil industry

Seems to me (without burdening my mind with research) that we need to "Americanize" the oil industry.

New American oil companies should be created with the following rules:
1) The company must be 100% owned and managed by Americans.
2) 100% of its oil products must be sold only on the domestic market
3) Each certified group of investors and stockholders (all Americans) will receive 2 -4 billion dollars to start up this new source of oil products.
4) Any source of American oil will be drilled for (including off shore, shale deposits, old wells that are now for whatever reason capped).
5) A watchdog committee made up of retired oil men and retired self employed business owners will oversee the operation of the companies and the price they establish. Oil products' prices will have NOTHING to do with anything except cost of exploration, cost of production, and cost of transporting it. Thus oil price (gas and diesel) will have nothing to do with speculation, the OPEC nations, world "crisis", obscene profit margins, etc.
6) Oil in America will NO LONGER we linked to international trade, international events, international oil companies, or the spinning of the "BIG SIX" wheel to determine today's price of fuel at the stations.

American oil should be an American product. A commidity that has such a devastating effect upon our economy should be controlled by Americans If international oil companies want to sell oil in America, they must be competitive with the American owned companies.
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Diesel as stated, is running 50-75 cents higher than gas. Where I work (food Warehouse) they took delivery on 20 natural gas semi's and have ordered another 20.

If Keystone XL is built to the ports you can bet some oil will go to China....
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Seems to me (without burdening my mind with research) that we need to "Americanize" the oil industry.

New American oil companies should be created with the following rules:
1) The company must be 100% owned and managed by Americans.
2) 100% of its oil products must be sold only on the domestic market
3) Each certified group of investors and stockholders (all Americans) will receive 2 -4 billion dollars to start up this new source of oil products.
4) Any source of American oil will be drilled for (including off shore, shale deposits, old wells that are now for whatever reason capped).
5) A watchdog committee made up of retired oil men and retired self employed business owners will oversee the operation of the companies and the price they establish. Oil products' prices will have NOTHING to do with anything except cost of exploration, cost of production, and cost of transporting it. Thus oil price (gas and diesel) will have nothing to do with speculation, the OPEC nations, world "crisis", obscene profit margins, etc.
6) Oil in America will NO LONGER we linked to international trade, international events, international oil companies, or the spinning of the "BIG SIX" wheel to determine today's price of fuel at the stations.

American oil should be an American product. A commidity that has such a devastating effect upon our economy should be controlled by Americans If international oil companies want to sell oil in America, they must be competitive with the American owned companies.
And, is any other country on Earth entitled to this rule?
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The pipeline will be built after the election, regardless of which party is in office.
Where was there anything in my post that would evoke this response?
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Please note that I have not checked this information out but its certainly interesting.
Some of you might be aware of the following.
If the price of OIL has been a concern of yours, hold on to your hat when
you read this email it's going to blow your mind.




Hi everyone,
I am now working in the oil fields of North Dakota and here is some info on where I live and work. Jack Asyou may know, Cruz Construction started a division in North Dakota just 6 months ago.

They sent every Kenworth (9 trucks) we had here in Alaska to North Dakota and several drivers.

They just bought two new Kenworth's to add to that fleet; one being a Tri Drive tractor and a new 65 ton lowboy to go with it.

They also bought two new cranes (one crawler & one rubber tired) for that division.








Dave Cruz said they have moved more rigs in the last 6 months in ND than Cruz Construction moved in Alaska in the last 6 years.

Williston , ND is like a gold rush town; they moved one of our 40 man camps down there since there are no rooms available.

Unemployment in ND is the lowest in the nation at 3.4 percent last I checked.

See anything in the national news about how the oil industry is fueling North




Dakota's economy?

Here's an astonishing read. Important and verifiable information:

About 6 months ago, the writer was watching a news program on oil and one of the Forbes Bros. Was the guest.

The host said to Forbes, "I am going to ask you a direct question and I would like a direct answer;

How much oil does the U.S. Have in the ground?" Forbes did not miss a beat, he said, "more than all the Middle East put together."

The U. S.. Geological Service issued a report in April 2008 that only scientists and oil men knew was coming, but man was it big.

It was a revised report (hadn't been updated since 1995) on how much oil was in this area of the western 2/3 of North Dakota ,

Western South Dakota, and extreme eastern Montana .








Check THIS out:
The Bakken is the largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska 's Prudhoe Bay , and has the potential to eliminate all American dependence on foreign oil. The Energy
Information Administration (EIA) estimates

It at 503 billion barrels. Even if just 10% of the oil is recoverable( 5 billion barrels), at $107 a barrel, We're looking at a resource base worth more than $5.3 trillion.

"When I first briefed legislators on this, you could practically see their jaws hit the floor.

They had no idea.." says Terry Johnson, the Montana Legislature's financial analyst.

"This sizable find is now the highest-producing onshore oil field found in the past 56 years," reportsThe Pittsburgh Post Gazette.

It's a formation known as the Williston Basin , but is more commonly referred to as the 'Bakken.'

It stretches from Northern Montana, through North Dakota and into Canada .

For years, U. S. Oil exploration has been considered a dead end.

Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching for major oil wells decades ago.

However, a recent technological breakthrough has opened up the Bakken's massive reserves, And we now have access of up to 500 billion barrels. And because this
is light, sweet oil,

Those billions of barrels will cost Americans just $16 PER BARREL !!!!!!

That's enough crude to fully fuel the American economy for 2041 years straight.

And if THAT didn't throw you on the floor, then this next one should - because it's from 2006 !!!!!!

U. S. Oil Discovery - Largest Reserve in the World Stansberry Report Online - 4/20/2006

>Hidden 1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains lies the largest untapped oil reserve in the world.

It is more than 2 TRILLION barrels. On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated its extraction.

In three and a half years of high oil prices none has been extracted.

With this motherload of oil why are we still fighting over off- shore drilling?

They reported this stunning news:
We have more oil inside our borders, than all the other proven reserves on earth.

Here are the official estimates:

8 times as much oil as Saudi Arabia

18 times as much oil as Iraq

21 times as much oil as Kuwait








22 times as much oil as Iran

500 times as much oil as Yemen

And it's all right here in the Western United States !!!!!!

HOW can this BE? HOW can we NOT BE extracting this? Because the
environmentalists and others have blocked all efforts to help America
become independent of foreign oil! Again, we are letting a small group of people dictate our lives and our economy. WHY?

James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says we've got more oil in this very compact area than the entire Middle East, more than 2 TRILLION barrels untapped. That's more than all the proven oil reserves of crude oil in the world today, reports The Denver Post.

Don't think 'OPEC' will drop its price even with this find? Think again! It's all about the competitive marketplace, it has to.

Think OPEC just might be funding the environmentalists?








Got your attention yet? Now, while you're thinking about it, do this:

Pass this along. If you don't take a little time to do this, then you
should stifle yourself the next time you complain about gas prices, by doing NOTHING, you forfeit your right to complain.

Now I just wonder what would happen in this country if every one of you sent this to every one in your address book.


By the way, this can be verified. Check it out at the link below !!!!!!

USGS Release: 3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels of Technically Recoverable Oil Assessed in North Dakota and Montana’s Bakken Formation—25 Times More Than 1995 Estimate— (4/10/2008 2:25:36 PM)

Cruz Construction, Inc. Alaska | Oil Field Services




















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