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Old 12-03-2015, 08:43 PM   #29
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My 1999 Allegro Bus has one large slide, would like a second in the bedroom, but other than that, it has everything I need. The old TV sets are original, in fact all that stuff is original, but that's OK with me. I don't watch TV other than some news, so none of it matters. I appreciate that most systems on the coach can be diagnosed by the owner if a problem occurs, not so sure re all the electronic stuff on the newest coaches. As someone else mentioned, the Wanderlodges are forever, wish I had found one at the time. Still looking, so some day I may move into one of them.
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Old 12-03-2015, 10:00 PM   #30
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Ditto that! We could have purchased a Entry Level DP or used our trade to purchase a 2008 Tuscany of which I consider a higher end coach and be debt free. Did the latter... and we love it. And when we decide to trade again...and I assure we will... I can guarantee that we will be better off depreciation wise.

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Old 12-04-2015, 06:45 AM   #31
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Old 12-04-2015, 07:17 AM   #32
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We don't have a DP, but have enjoyed several gassers over the years. All were bought used, usually 5-10 years old, and each added more amenities that the previous one. There are always things that age out and must be repaired or replaced, but these are much cheaper than the ongoing payments for a new unit. And don't get me wrong...I'm glad there are those who can and will buy the new units. Else, how would we get to buy the used models. Good luck with your search and enjoy what you find.
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Old 12-04-2015, 09:08 AM   #33
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1. Slides.
2. Air ride.
3. Large exterior mirrors.
4. Larger Towing capabilities.
5. Leveling system.
6. Larger Blk/Gray/fresh water tank's

In that order.



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Old 12-07-2015, 06:28 PM   #34
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Old 12-07-2015, 09:04 PM   #35
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Let's see.....

Leaky roofs
Musty odors
Old used furniture
Worn out drive train
Chipped windows
Scratched/Faded paint
Bald tires
Foggy windows
Old CRT TV's
No slides
No warranty
Used mattress
Used toilet
Archaic propane refer
Underpowered engine
No pride of ownership
Having to make excuses as to why you bought used rather than new

Oops....I'm sorry, I got the question backwards!
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Old 12-08-2015, 01:11 PM   #36
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Let's see.....

Leaky roofs
Musty odors
Old used furniture
Worn out drive train
Chipped windows
Scratched/Faded paint
Bald tires
Foggy windows
Old CRT TV's
No slides
No warranty
Used mattress
Used toilet
Archaic propane refer
Underpowered engine
No pride of ownership
Having to make excuses as to why you bought used rather than new

Oops....I'm sorry, I got the question backwards!
But.......to avoid the cost of items on the list you incurred @ $54,000 in value loss (75% of MSRP less current low NADA Retail) in the past two/three years?

Some folks just cannot justify that kind of spending, hence the OP's question.

You, sir, are very fortunate to be in that position.
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Old 12-08-2015, 09:22 PM   #37
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That wasn't the point of my post. The point was to let some see how it feels to be criticized for a purchase. If you buy used, great. There are things I buy used and things I buy new, but it seems that many of the used buyers have to make a point about how much more savvy they are for buying used, rather than just say they bought what they could afford. The OP basically asked the age old question....new vs used.

Lastly, I got a great deal on my coach, the model line got some upgrades the next model year and bumped my value. In the first year I loss no value except tax and license like everyone does.
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Old 12-08-2015, 09:33 PM   #38
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Let's see.....

Leaky roofs
Musty odors
Old used furniture
Worn out drive train
Chipped windows
Scratched/Faded paint
Bald tires
Foggy windows
Old CRT TV's
No slides
No warranty
Used mattress
Used toilet
Archaic propane refer
Underpowered engine
No pride of ownership
Having to make excuses as to why you bought used rather than new

Oops....I'm sorry, I got the question backwards!
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Old 12-08-2015, 10:36 PM   #39
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ours is an 08
what would we be gaining in a 2015 or 16 model

DEF tank

we are 90% through the 7-8 year ALL NEW stuff adventure
new tires this past oct
new a/c units last nov and aug
new fridge residential nov 2014
new sink fixtures apr 2015
new convection oven ge advantium apr 2015

I don't count normal maintenance stuff.

we really have made out . less than 10k in replacements
still drives great, looks awesome.

going to replace the small carpet areas this next year, and re-leather the drivers and passenger seats.
http://www.raneystruckparts.com/lega...e-with-swivel/
thinking of doing this for new seats, get some massage
beats the crap out of a double rv payment for a new one.
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Old 12-08-2015, 11:00 PM   #40
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Leaky roofs -- NOPE, NO LEAKS
Musty odors -- HAD SOME, CLEANED EM OUT
Old used furniture -- HAD TO RECOVER ONE CHAIR
Worn out drive train -- 15000 MILES, AS NEW
Chipped windows -- NOPE
Scratched/Faded paint -- NOPE
Bald tires -- OLD, NOT BALD. $2500 MAKES 'EM NEW
Foggy windows -- NOPE
Old CRT TV's -- WHO CARES
No slides -- 3 SLIDES IS PLENTY
No warranty -- 5YR, ZERO DEDUCTIBLE, $5000
Used mattress -- NEW MATTRESS WITH FOAM TOPPER, $350
Used toilet -- WHO CARES
Archaic propane refer -- WORKS GREAT, ICE MAKER AND ALL,
Underpowered engine -- 350HP CAT C7 PULLS GREAT
No pride of ownership -- LOVE THIS RIG
Having to make excuses as to why you bought used rather than new -- $150,000+ RICHER THAN THE GUY THAT BOUGHT IT NEW, EVEN AFTER REPAIRS. CHA-CHING!
AND NO DEF!
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Old 12-08-2015, 11:06 PM   #41
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I'll never understand the fixation some have over "loss of value" or "depreciation" if one buys a new RV vs. buying used where the previous owner "took a hit".

All new vehicles will "lose value" the moment they are driven off the dealer's lot. I don't look at an RV as an "investment", it was bought to be used and enjoyed for, hopefully, many years.
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Old 12-08-2015, 11:26 PM   #42
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There are very few changes to the basic electro mechanical components over the last 8 years. For that mater there are very few changes to the electro mechanical components over the last 13 years. Motors, transmissions, tires, brakes, chassis, these things have changed little since maybe the late 90's. Around 2000 large diesel motors went electronic and that helped fuel milage quite a bit. But then DEF was added around 2008 and that was a take away. So the sweet spot for motors IMHO is between 2000 - 2008.

Starting about 2003-2005 more slides were added. So by 2007 there were about as many slides as now. Entertainment electronics changed hugely starting about 2005. TVs went flat screen and music came from iPods not CD's or tapes.

Makers and models of motorhomes vary quite a bit. We have a 2002, but it is all electric. Something that did not become popular till about 2011 or so.

If our coach burned up tomorrow and the insurance company gave me a check to replace it I would look for a pre DEF Country Coach, Foretravel, higher end Monaco, higher end Beaver, Bluebird, or Travel Supreme to replace it. My preference would be for a Country Coach as we like ours a lot.

The only coach I ever have envy to own and would like to have is a Prevost with at least two slides but with a toned down and not a Vegas interior. Or maybe a nice Newell.

I would far prefer to have a pre DEF any of the above I mentioned than a new mid range coach of the same cost.

Of, and by the way Dutch Star Don. I will compare coaches with you any day. My 12 year older coach is likely way nicer than your 2 year old DS. We have exactly none of those negatives you so graciously pointed out. And I take offense to your saying I have no pride of ownership in my 13 year old coach.
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