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Old 10-13-2013, 10:00 AM   #29
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There is not enough gasoline vapors even if all the pumps are being used for the fridge flame to ignite the vapors in any gas station or fuel island even in high temps. or even high humidity.......if the fuel islands were "enclosed" one might have a problem. Someone smoking at a fuel island(as we all have seen) if a far greater risk of causing a explosion.
You have not seen it. I have.

I worked at filling stations long ago. Only one fuel fire in 3 years, no casualties, only damages, but it was enough to instill respect.

I choose to not be a glowing example, nor provide the source.

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You have not seen it. I have.

I worked at filling stations long ago. Only one fuel fire in 3 years, no casualties, only damages, but it was enough to instill respect.

I choose to not be a glowing example, nor provide the source.

Please push the off button.
Dave, what you are telling me that you have seen a fire at a gas station caused by a motorhome fridge?
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There is not enough gasoline vapors even if all the pumps are being used for the fridge flame to ignite the vapors in any gas station or fuel island even in high temps. or even high humidity.......if the fuel islands were "enclosed" one might have a problem. Someone smoking at a fuel island(as we all have seen) if a far greater risk of causing a explosion.
Please do not be near the fuel pumps with any open flame while I am there. A fuel spill can cause gas to flow right under your vehicle and fumes do rise. So if a puddle of fuel was right under your open flame (fridge, water heater or whatever) it could ignite. I suggest you take your RV to the center of a very large parking lot and test for yourself and by yourself by the way.

Good luck with that experiment.
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Please do not be near the fuel pumps with any open flame while I am there. A fuel spill can cause gas to flow right under your vehicle and fumes do rise. So if a puddle of fuel was right under your open flame (fridge, water heater or whatever) it could ignite. I suggest you take your RV to the center of a very large parking lot and test for yourself and by yourself by the way.

Good luck with that experiment.
I never said that a gas problem all over the ground at a gas station and a open flame would not create a fire. In 54 years I have never seen such a problem at a gas station, again not saying it can not happen. I work in a petroleum refinery so I know about gas and fuel. Here is a test for you: pour some diesel fuel on the ground and toss a match into it........bet the match goes out with no fire. Gas .....another story. OK ,I will shut my fridge off if I ever buy a gas Coach when I am fueling. One more thought, You have a lot better chance of static electricity at seat level (2' -3") being a ignition source to start a fire. That is a proven fact.
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Dave, what you are telling me that you have seen a fire at a gas station caused by a motorhome fridge?
Yes, and the fumes were from a small spill about 15 feet away. But a spark or a flame from any source is just as effective.

Please push the button? It is not a difficult or time consuming skill.

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I never said that a gas problem all over the ground at a gas station and a open flame would not create a fire. In 54 years I have never seen such a problem at a gas station, again not saying it can not happen. I work in a petroleum refinery so I know about gas and fuel. Here is a test for you: pour some diesel fuel on the ground and toss a match into it........bet the match goes out with no fire. Gas .....another story. OK ,I will shut my fridge off if I ever buy a gas Coach when I am fueling. One more thought, You have a lot better chance of static electricity at seat level (2' -3") being a ignition source to start a fire. That is a proven ........




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Well perhaps because I have had a lot more than 54 years around gas stations and in aviation but I did see one gas station go up in flames about 50 years ago. No RVs involved.

There was a significant fuel spill. Investigators suspected the offender put his gas cap on to keep the nozzel on and forgot about it and left it unattended as gas poured out on the concrete and flowed under other vehicles. Either there was no safety shutoff in the nozzel or it failed, don't know. I was not involved and saw the blaze from afar and read the newspaper reports. Oh the perp ran back to his vehicle when he saw what was going on according to eye witnesses, but both he and his wife were burned to death.

Don't know what ignited the fumes but two lives were lost and several were injured with significant property damage.

Agreed, static electricity is the major source of such incidents with gasoline but I think we all agree, any open flame will also ignite gas fumes so why take any chances.

In aviation we ALWAYS, placed appropriate ground connections before refuelling. Too bad that is not done with road gasoline vehicles. Static electricity can be dangerous so don't wear your silk panties etc unless you practice safe refuelling. (Play on words here).

I have thrown a match into diesel fuel, and it does go out because fumes were not that volitile and the ignition temperature of the diesel fuel had not yet been reached before the flame was deprived of oxygen.

You are correct, don't try that with gasoline.

At diesel only pumps, I believe there is very little risk, if any, of an open flame on a fridge causing a fire because one is refuelling. But often at some RV fueling islands, gas and diesel is there and the potential of some dummy spilling fuel is a real concern. So while one can take precautions what you do, I worry about what others are doing around the pumps.

By the way, thanks palehorse89 for offering to shut your fridge etc flame off if you ever buy a gas RV, but if you are at pumps where there is also gasoline and diesel, all the car, truck and RV drivers and occupants at those pumps would appreciate if you applied that safety precaution when in such a situation. Thanks in advance.
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I would like to know after getting involved in this thread how many folks that pulling 5ers or bumper pull trailers that stop up the road and shut off their fridge before pulling into a gas station?
After thinking of the numerous times I have been at a gas station and fifth wheels and bumper pulls have pulled in makes me wonder now
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you could probably count those on 1 hand with 4 fingers missing. you can go through life paranoid or logically. I go logically.
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Count me as one that does not, pull into a gas station that is. I use diesel.
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My fridge has an electronic igniter so I don't have a pilot light. We turn the fridge off when we're on the road. The only propane that we are using, when going down the road, is to run the genny. If we don't need the genny, we turn the propane off. We've never had any troubles with the fridge getting to hot but then we don't drive very far in a day. It's nice being retired with no schedule.
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There's an easier way... If your fridge has 120 priority, just turn on the genny when approaching the station. the fridge will auto switch to 120, no open flame, and when you pull out, kill the genny, and the fridge will switch back to propane.

I have to admit, I used to forget to kill the water heater until I replaced the switch with a lighted switch. Now there's no forgetting that the WH is on.
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On another forum a retired fire captain took the time to cull through fire reports from all over the nation.
He didn't fine even ONE fire that started from a pilot light in an RV.
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There's an easier way... If your fridge has 120 priority, just turn on the genny when approaching the station. the fridge will auto switch to 120, no open flame, and when you pull out, kill the genny, and the fridge will switch back to propane.

I have to admit, I used to forget to kill the water heater until I replaced the switch with a lighted switch. Now there's no forgetting that the WH is on.
When running on 120VAC, the heating coil is "red hot" ! So I don't think it would really matter what the fridge is running on when it comes to a problem at a filling station and there is a vapor cloud.
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