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Old 01-21-2014, 10:32 PM   #15
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It's not that I didn't believe there might be a tightening of LP gas supplies because of the widespread cold temperatures, I just doubt it will be the problem the way Fox news reports it. They have been touting a Velveeta shortage, sent a reporter into a number of stores, found the cheese in all but one store but still made a big deal about it. They seem to spend a lot of time trying to scare people.


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Originally Posted by BFlinn181 View Post
They have been touting a Velveeta shortage, sent a reporter into a number of stores, found the cheese in all but one store but still made a big deal about it. They seem to spend a lot of time trying to scare people.
KRAFT announced the shortage, and that it would be localized. Fox wasn't the only network to report it, but per your post did find a "local" shortage.

Your conclusion- an attempt to scare people by a shortage of wannabe cheese? Inconvenienced, yes, hoard, likely. Scared, why?

My first thought was Kraft had found a way to NOT put Velveeta on sale during the highest sales period, business will condition us to unexplained "shortages". I never heard any network that actually went to Kraft and asked "WHY?" Isn't that what the so called 'news media' is supposed to do?
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I agree that the RV parks may have some since it's Winter and their business is slow in that part of the world, but since the dealers get some of their supplies from the wholesalers, how can the wholesalers have LPG and the dealers not?
Because the Wholesaler may not have enough trucks to deliver to all of them as fast as they are selling and because bad roads compound that problem.

Most Shortages are in fact a shortage of trucks to deliver, or open roads for the trucks to travel, NOT a shortage of product.
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Well actually, my Propane supplier advised me two weeks ago that there is a shortage of propane.
The farmers used a lot to dry the crop this fall and the companies shut down a major pipeline in order to ship fracking chemicals north. They had counted on the Keystone Pipeline for this traffic but as you know our great and fearless leader has postponed that.
He said that farmers are actually being rationed.
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The Velveta "cheese" can be heated in the microwave for mixing with Rotel...or is it Rotella? That is, if your stomach can stand all that hot pepper or motor oil. I trust there is no shortage of Rotel just before the big game.
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I agree, the LP problem is probably more a distribution issue than a production shortage. I don't know why people immediately jumped to the conclusion politics had been raised. I get my news from a variety of news outlets, mostly the BBC. If you watch more than one source, you quickly discover that what's being 'spun' on one channel is barely covered on another. In my area, to find out what's happening at the state level I can't watch local news, they are too focused on violent crime, car crashes, and weather extremes. Watching a variety of news sources helps keep me informed 'fair(ly) and balanced,' something that can't be said if you only rely on ONE news source. Bring on the critics.

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I do know that propane price went up I don't know anything about shortages.

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I hope that the propane shortage and price increases do not hurt anyone during this blizzard.

And, thanks again to the OP for this thread. I have learned a serious lesson here in these posts about bias, elitism, and irresponsibility. Seems so much like when activists clash about the first amendment...that is, until someone says something that the activist's don't like.

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So now Faux news is touting an LP shortage! Is that in conjunction with their panicked reporting on the Velveeta Shortage??
I think the "possible Velveta shortage" was brought forward by a Kraft Foods PR person as a sales gimmick. Every time someone mentions the word "shortage" it seems to be a license to raise the price and it artificially increases demand. My guess is the division VP wasn't going to make his bonus unless sales hit the right number. Solution to the problem, Tell people there "might" be a shortage. Sales will double.

As for the price of propane going up, here in the Midwest it's almost 50% higher than it was last year. They're blaming the wet fall and huge amounts needed to dry crops. Funny how the panic sets in, demand mysteriously increased, prices shoot up, and when all is said and done they sell just about the same amount they did the year before, just at a higher price.
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I don't want to beat this to death, but can provide some facts that may help. Propane is a component of the hydrocarbon stream that comes out of an Oil & Gas well. Other components in that stream include Butane, Pentane, Crude Oil and Natural gas and others. These Oil & Gas wells produce 365 days a year so Propane is being made each day according to the production rates of the wells, there is very little ability to ramp up propane production when it's cold as these wells produce as much in the Winter as they do in the Summer. In the Summer Propane demand is very low but the production remains the same so it is stored for use in the Winter. The 2 largest underground salt dome storage facilities in the US are in Conway Ks, and Mont Bellvue Tx from those locations the propane moves by pipeline or largely by rail car to the rest of the country.
So if there was a large crop drying season coupled with extreme cold then getting the product from these storage locations to the rest of the country is the issue. The supply chain between the wholesalers and retailers is pretty short so my guess is that if the dealers don't have it then neither do the terminals.

That's a pretty simplistic description but it was getting to long to provide greater detail

It's all supply, demand, and Logistics, no politics involved at all.

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There is a real shortage here in central Ohio. I ordered propane yesterday on a tank that was down to 30%. Propane supplier said they are limiting deliveries to 100 gallons each. I guess we will all run out at about the same time under this plan.

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