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05-27-2019, 08:37 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2016
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Originally Posted by apopj
NOTE: I know this a futile post, but wanted to express my opinion anyway
I recently read the article about campgrounds that restrict usage if your RV is over a certain age. I also read the comments and complaints the readers sent in as well as many on this forum.
Folks, and this isn't meant to belittle anyone, do you REALLY think the campgrounds care that you aren't going to use their campground? They have already said they don't want you. For you to say "they aren't getting my business" is like a double negative, it is exactly what they want.
With the huge number of RV'ers out there (most foolishly buying new units) and the crowding of campgrounds to the point that in some areas a six month reservation is required, does anyone REALLY think anything is going to change? By avoiding these campgrounds, you are playing into their hands and causing yourself unneeded stress by complaining to them. Honestly, complaining doesn't work very often, unless EVERYONE, including those with new RV's avoid the campground and let them know why. The pocket book is where the real action is, as long as they are continually full during peak months, owners could care less if you go somewhere else.
A perfect example is the trash the RV builders are putting out, the unethical sales people in the trade, and the impossibility of getting warranty work done. Owners have complained for DECADES about it, and what has it accomplished? Nothing. As long as people are buying new RV's against the advice of the old timers, nothing, nothing at all is going to change. It was the same with the auto and motorcycle industries. As long as they could sell all they could make, they kept turning out junk. It wasn't until quality competition came along (Japanese) did any change occur. It is the same with every industry, RV included.
So, instead of wearing yourself out complaining, boycott. Tell your friends the horror stories of new RV's and encourage them to buy quality used. They avoid the depreciation hit, and know the problems. Most would have been fixed, those that haven't, well, no different from a new one but lots cheaper. When sales fall, and it has to be drastically, then perhaps changes will be made. And when the majority of RV's become older, THEN and only then, will campground owners change their story and realize they are a service industry. But I understand that isn't going to happen....
like sheep to slaughter, the line forms here for new RV purchasers.
So, instead of complaining about the parks, relax, find a nice comfortable one where you're not required to take the EGO trip with a new RV, set up, relax, and buy something nice for yourself with the money you save.
Jeff Houseless Not Homeless
2001 Holiday Rambler Admiral
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Sure hope you let us know what you really thought and didn't hold anythingback, and truly hope that you feel better now
How did everything become so touchy feely?
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05-27-2019, 08:39 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2016
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Originally Posted by Gary RVRoamer
Well said, apopj, but none of the loudly-offended owners are going to listen.
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It was well stated
I choose to live in a neighborhood where trash isn't allowed as well
Old anything can be well maintained, most often comes down to personal bad choices, not bad luck
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05-27-2019, 08:45 AM
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#17
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: San Diego, CA
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I guess it was wrong of me to buy a new, problem-free, Grand Design Solitude.
But I sure like it.
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05-27-2019, 09:04 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: So Cal
Posts: 168
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Complaining about complainers
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2004 Tiffen Allegro 31DA, 2015 JKUR toad, Ready Brute Elite tow bar/brake
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05-27-2019, 09:24 AM
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#19
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Community Moderator
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Central, Arkansas
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Originally Posted by u04601
Complaining about complainers
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LOL it's a slow day so why not
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Cummins ISC 350HP Allison 3000 6 speed
2020 Chevy Equinox Premier 2.0t 9 speed AWD
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05-27-2019, 11:00 AM
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Senior Member
National RV Owners Club Workhorse Chassis Owner
Join Date: May 2000
Location: California Central Coast
Posts: 2,034
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All the years I've been on this forum I always wondered why there was never a rant about campgrounds restricting customers because of coach age, coach class, etc. Now it has finally happened.
Glenn
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2006 Sea Breeze LX 8341 on a Workhorse W22 Chassis with 22.5 Alcoa Alum wheels,
2011 Chevy Colorado 4X4 with Ready Brake
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05-27-2019, 11:06 AM
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#21
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Registered User
Newmar Owners Club
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 809
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Quote:
Originally Posted by apopj
NOTE: I know this a futile post, but wanted to express my opinion anyway
I recently read the article about campgrounds that restrict usage if your RV is over a certain age. I also read the comments and complaints the readers sent in as well as many on this forum.
Folks, and this isn't meant to belittle anyone, do you REALLY think the campgrounds care that you aren't going to use their campground? They have already said they don't want you. For you to say "they aren't getting my business" is like a double negative, it is exactly what they want.
With the huge number of RV'ers out there (most foolishly buying new units) and the crowding of campgrounds to the point that in some areas a six month reservation is required, does anyone REALLY think anything is going to change? By avoiding these campgrounds, you are playing into their hands and causing yourself unneeded stress by complaining to them. Honestly, complaining doesn't work very often, unless EVERYONE, including those with new RV's avoid the campground and let them know why. The pocket book is where the real action is, as long as they are continually full during peak months, owners could care less if you go somewhere else.
A perfect example is the trash the RV builders are putting out, the unethical sales people in the trade, and the impossibility of getting warranty work done. Owners have complained for DECADES about it, and what has it accomplished? Nothing. As long as people are buying new RV's against the advice of the old timers, nothing, nothing at all is going to change. It was the same with the auto and motorcycle industries. As long as they could sell all they could make, they kept turning out junk. It wasn't until quality competition came along (Japanese) did any change occur. It is the same with every industry, RV included.
So, instead of wearing yourself out complaining, boycott. Tell your friends the horror stories of new RV's and encourage them to buy quality used. They avoid the depreciation hit, and know the problems. Most would have been fixed, those that haven't, well, no different from a new one but lots cheaper. When sales fall, and it has to be drastically, then perhaps changes will be made. And when the majority of RV's become older, THEN and only then, will campground owners change their story and realize they are a service industry. But I understand that isn't going to happen....
like sheep to slaughter, the line forms here for new RV purchasers.
So, instead of complaining about the parks, relax, find a nice comfortable one where you're not required to take the EGO trip with a new RV, set up, relax, and buy something nice for yourself with the money you save.
Jeff Houseless Not Homeless
2001 Holiday Rambler Admiral
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Not sure what the point of this is
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05-27-2019, 11:46 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 1,734
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05-27-2019, 11:46 AM
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KZ RV Club
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Elephant Butte, NM
Posts: 1,197
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Originally Posted by DRM901
I see this rule the same as no alcohol in most state parks. The rule exists so if there is a problem, they have a rule to enforce. Older, well maintained RVs are admitted with 0 issues. But if you pull up with the Randy Quaid Christmas vacation RV, you will be refused entry.
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That's what I have seen in my travels, maintain it your good to go, look like a fugitive from a wrecking yard no go.
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05-27-2019, 01:42 PM
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#24
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Registered User
Newmar Owners Club
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,899
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Our RV is way over 10 years old, but looks new. The 10 year rules is not set in stone, it's a gauge, telling folks that may have one which is not in good shape to stay away. We have gone into many parks which say no older than 10 years, and they have not batted an eye over ours. It's not the years, but it is the age/looks of them, this way, they can say your rig is not acceptable in our resort. NWTS-We have been in those CG's, and see "park models" which should be condemned, but yet they are there, even though the rule is in place, they cannot kick those folks out, or have the rig removed, because those sites are leased long term, by repeat customers. So it's a double standard that the "so called Rv Resorts" are doing.
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05-27-2019, 03:09 PM
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#25
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Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: West Palm Beach, FL. USA
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All the years I've been on this forum I always wondered why there was never a rant about campgrounds restricting customers because of coach age, coach class, etc. Now it has finally happened.
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Your choice of topics must be limited - I see rants about age or type restrictions regularly, at least once a month.
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Former owner of 2004 American Tradition and several other RVs
Home is West Palm Beach, FL
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05-27-2019, 03:13 PM
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#26
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Senior Member
Tiffin Owners Club
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Cedar Falls, IA
Posts: 2,231
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary RVRoamer
Your choice of topics must be limited - I see rants about age or type restrictions regularly, at least once a month.
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What he said. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
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05-27-2019, 03:50 PM
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#27
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 2,984
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Imho
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05-27-2019, 06:17 PM
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#28
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Muskoka Ontario Canada
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizz1
You and me both! I should have checked here first!
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I will trade you even to help you out.
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