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Old 02-25-2011, 12:01 PM   #71
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"Bird shot if used in self defense more than likely will not stop a determined felon"

You gotta have some seriously determined felons where you live.
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"Bird shot if used in self defense more than likely will not stop a determined felon"

You gotta have some seriously determined felons where you live.
Ever dealt with someone high on PCP? The term "determined" is a vast understatement.
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I think if you hit someone from about 10 ft away with the Judge and bird shot instead of a single slug, it might hurt worse. A slug usually doesn't kill unless you hit the arterys or head shot, but bird shot hurts like hell. Imagine getting shot in the face with one or two. They might not go down but I don't think they will still be going. Plus you don't have to be very accurate.

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Ever dealt with someone high on PCP? The term "determined" is a vast understatement.

Unfortunately I have. I was a LEO for 27 years and ran the Forensics Unit for the last 10. I have dealt with all sorts of GS injuries and deaths from a .22 short to a center fire .06 rifle. The nastiest wound(s) come from shot shells, specifically from bird shot at close range. I have attended and assisted in the autopsies of these victims.
A shot shell is already fragmented, unlike the bullet that uses much of it's energy to fragment after it enters the body. All the energy of the shot shell is expended in the body, causing massive tissue damage and bleeding.
From a distance of 0 to 10 feet even a .410 from a short barrell of a pistol is basically a pre-fragmented slug, held together by the wading. With bird shot (even #8 or #6) it is still a brutal blast when it strikes the body.
I use the distance of 10 feet because that is when the danger from an attacker gets to be real - even from an unarmed attacker.
Number 4 shot would be larger and would still inflict potentially fatal wounds at a distance the length of the RV.
Though not a true representation of the human body, try this - use a water melon(s) and start shooting them at different distances with a shot shell. You will find that the shot and wadding are one when fired from the distances comparable with the inside of an RV
PCP is indeed quite powerful and can cause the human body to take a large amount of pain as well as enrage the person under the influence. However, even the most 'out of it' individual cannot continue an attack with a hole punched into the chest with the associated trauma and bleeding.
just saying...
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Unfortunately I have. I was a LEO for 27 years and ran the Forensics Unit for the last 10. I have dealt with all sorts of GS injuries and deaths from a .22 short to a center fire .06 rifle. The nastiest wound(s) come from shot shells, specifically from bird shot at close range. I have attended and assisted in the autopsies of these victims.
A shot shell is already fragmented, unlike the bullet that uses much of it's energy to fragment after it enters the body. All the energy of the shot shell is expended in the body, causing massive tissue damage and bleeding.
From a distance of 0 to 10 feet even a .410 from a short barrell of a pistol is basically a pre-fragmented slug, held together by the wading. With bird shot (even #8 or #6) it is still a brutal blast when it strikes the body.
I use the distance of 10 feet because that is when the danger from an attacker gets to be real - even from an unarmed attacker.
Number 4 shot would be larger and would still inflict potentially fatal wounds at a distance the length of the RV.
Though not a true representation of the human body, try this - use a water melon(s) and start shooting them at different distances with a shot shell. You will find that the shot and wadding are one when fired from the distances comparable with the inside of an RV
PCP is indeed quite powerful and can cause the human body to take a large amount of pain as well as enrage the person under the influence. However, even the most 'out of it' individual cannot continue an attack with a hole punched into the chest with the associated trauma and bleeding.
just saying...

Totally agree with that if the hole and trauma are great enough...say from a 12 gauge shooting bird shot...but from a .410? Even though, given the choice between a .410 through a short barrel and nothing...I'll take the .410 any day.

My experience is not as vast as your own, so I will concede to you as having the greater experience. Thank you, by the way for your service to your community...wherever that was/is.

I have only ever had to deal with two individuals that were PCP related...one female and one large male. We'll leave it at that...
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