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Old 03-16-2012, 04:42 AM   #15
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Where we have it would be about 2 inches above the knees and I agree about lacking comfort just wanted to give another idea that you can run with
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Old 03-16-2012, 08:58 PM   #16
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. What I did find, thanks to your lead, was that the seat belt law in California (and other states and countries) has an exemption for medical conditions. I anticipate no problem getting a letter of exemption from my neurosurgeon if I show him that I am using high quality equipment like that Gill harness ($250) and how I am attaching it. Everything medical costs so much more, and often is custom made only. If I cannot find a high quality standard sport harness like the Gill that fits me, I would definitely go the route you suggest, with the help of a specialist like yourself, but for adults. Many thanks, RogerF P.S. How does a person go about finding a person with your specialty (for adult safety)?

CVC 27315 (law mandating seat belt usage)
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This section does not apply to a passenger or operator with a physically disabling condition or medical condition that would prevent appropriate restraint in a safety belt, if the condition is duly certified by a licensed physician and surgeon or by a licensed chiropractor who shall state the nature of the condition, as well as the reason the restraint is inappropriate.
Call your locat or state traffic safety resource office or the state patrol. Even though the title is child passenger safety they have instructors for health care based needs and specialized harness installation. There are many children who are in full body casts that must lie down while going to and from places. Another good resource is your local fire department or Ems service. Good luck
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Where we have it would be about 2 inches above the knees and I agree about lacking comfort just wanted to give another idea that you can run with
Not arguing just an observation from riding in the box for years.
The ambulance has a specialized gurney that is secured to withstand the crash force, if the patient is lying completely flat they are either on a spine board or your resuscitating them. at that point the three straps are to simply keep them from flying around during a rollover. If it was a head on crash the patient would be lying in my lap as I'm being crushed against the head wall.

There really isn't an idea position for transport when prone or supine other than feet first.
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Not arguing just an observation from riding in the box for years.
The ambulance has a specialized gurney that is secured to withstand the crash force, if the patient is lying completely flat they are either on a spine board or your resuscitating them. at that point the three straps are to simply keep them from flying around during a rollover. If it was a head on crash the patient would be lying in my lap as I'm being crushed against the head wall.

There really isn't an idea position for transport when prone or supine other than feet first.
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I agree , like I had said I was only giving options to the op any type of crash in the box is a fatality waiting to happen
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Old 03-17-2012, 02:36 AM   #19
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In terms of seat belt laws....

How many states require an adult NOT RIDING IN THE FRONT SEAT to be belted? I know in Michigan an Adult in the rear seat is NOT reqired by state law to be belted in.

Laws of Physics, however.. Well that's why this thread was created (They are less forgiving)
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Where we have it would be about 2 inches above the knees and I agree about lacking comfort just wanted to give another idea that you can run with
Your suggested triple-belted method would work for travel around town, in any vehicle with a back seat or sofa that I fit in, RV or other. It would not require putting on or taking off a harness a couple of times for each trip. . It requires that you own the vehicle, in order to install belts of the right length in the right positions. I should have done this a long time ago.

If a method of attaching a harness to existing seat belts proves to be workable, that would allow for a method that would be used now and then to overcome limitations of the triple-belted method. I may well end up using both methods. Now I have a basis for experimenting, thanks to the great tips I received here. Thanks!

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what the 5 or 6 point racing harness does for you is provide the anti-submarine strap, which is needed whenever you have a semi-prone position. The 5-point is easy to hook up but it typically used in a more upright position where submarining is uncommon. It has the tendency to pinch "the boys" in a hard crash. A six point formula car harness is a PITA to hook up. the sub straps go through loops on the lap belt and are captured by the shoulder straps. You would tire of this arrangement quickly. There are some companies that make two sub straps that click in at the bottom like a 5-point, sort of a compromise between comfort and convenience.

All the manufacturers will provide install information but none expect you to be fully lying down. Schroth is the only manufacturer that makes DOT approved racing harnesses for street use.
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what the 5 or 6 point racing harness does for you is provide the anti-submarine strap, which is needed whenever you have a semi-prone position. The 5-point is easy to hook up but it typically used in a more upright position where submarining is uncommon. It has the tendency to pinch "the boys" in a hard crash. A six point formula car harness is a PITA to hook up. the sub straps go through loops on the lap belt and are captured by the shoulder straps. You would tire of this arrangement quickly. There are some companies that make two sub straps that click in at the bottom like a 5-point, sort of a compromise between comfort and convenience.

All the manufacturers will provide install information but none expect you to be fully lying down. Schroth is the only manufacturer that makes DOT approved racing harnesses for street use.
Today I acquired the exemption letter from my neurologist, so now I am free to go ahead and make it as safe as I can in compliance with the laws of physics and biology..

When it comes to installing aftermarket belts, is that something that RV service people are qualified to do generally speaking, or do you look for a race mechanic?

I was thinking about starting by trying out one of the systems in the second seat of a wagon, SUV or van, and then I imagined the vehicle being side-swiped or T-boned where my head is only a few inches from the back door, where the point of impact could be, and the impact would could throw me headfirst toward the impact point. This lying down business is not a simple proposition.

In a wagon, SUV or van, such as one would use in town, the first suggestion—the six-point harness on mattress, centered from side to side---appears to be safest in a town-sized vehicle, because the head can be oriented toward the front of the vehicle, and feet kept away from the back in case of being rear-ended in traffic.

If the issue is what is the safest, even if not always practical, would that not be a tall RV, where the impact point with a typical vehicle is lower than the level at which one is lying on a sofa or bed?

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Roger,
If you are in a class A MH, your bed or couch would be above the majority of impact zone for most vehicles. You would still receive some of the crash force but not as much as in a passenger vehicle. Not sure if any mechanic would install the belts based on potential liability and the system would not meet the federal vehicle safety standards. (insurance liability issue) If it were me in your situation I would find the system that works for me(belt configuration in relation to in vehicle location) and have rated support anchors installed on the frame to attach the belts to.
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If you are in a class A MH, your bed or couch would be above the majority of impact zone for most vehicles. You would still receive some of the crash force but not as much as in a passenger vehicle. Not sure if any mechanic would install the belts based on potential liability and the system would not meet the federal vehicle safety standards. (insurance liability issue) If it were me in your situation I would find the system that works for me(belt configuration in relation to in vehicle location) and have rated support anchors installed on the frame to attach the belts to.
Got it! Thanks for summing it up in practical terms. Thanks to everyone who has been so generous in sharing knowledge. RogerF
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Roger - there are race shops around Laguna Seca not so far from you and quite a few more up at Sears Point. PM me and I'll give you some people to call. First you'll have to take your coach in and show them what you want to do. Then they'll measure for the belts, and probably have to send off to a custom house like Crow, Pyrotect, Simpson, or Impact. They have to pick the right kind of attaching hardware and the right kind of adjusting hardware, and then order the belts. then you'll have to take the coach back for final fitting and install.
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Roger - there are race shops around Laguna Seca not so far from you and quite a few more up at Sears Point. PM me and I'll give you some people to call. First you'll have to take your coach in and show them what you want to do. Then they'll measure for the belts, and probably have to send off to a custom house like Crow, Pyrotect, Simpson, or Impact. They have to pick the right kind of attaching hardware and the right kind of adjusting hardware, and then order the belts. then you'll have to take the coach back for final fitting and install.
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Hi Roger,

My wife has a pain disability and we are searching for solutions for a safe way for her to lie down while traveling. This thread has been very useful. Can you share what solutions worked or did not work for you? Many Thanks.
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