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Old 03-11-2012, 06:06 PM   #1
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Safety belt/harness for adult lying down?

I have to lie down while I travel in a vehicle, even in town, so safety in case of an accident is a real issue even then. It is even more of an issue when considering RV travel at highway speed. I can find discussions regarding restraining children and dogs,but none for adults. I would like to resolve this matter before choosing an RV, not after!
I would be extremely grateful for any suggestions.
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I have to lie down while I travel in a vehicle, even in town, so safety in case of an accident is a real issue even then. It is even more of an issue when considering RV travel at highway speed. I can find discussions regarding restraining children and dogs,but none for adults. I would like to resolve this matter before choosing an RV, not after!
I would be extremely grateful for any suggestions.
Thank you in advance,
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Welcome to IRV2 Roger. Hopefully someone will have a solution for you. It would be helpful if you tell us where you will be positioned. On the bed or sofa ?
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A number of years ago I saw a tv program about the "One Lap of America" race. It's a 2 person team on a rally around the USA. They had to maintain an average speed of 53 MPH, which means they were often going well over the limit to stay on schedule after being slowed down by stoplights, traffic, etc.
This was a continuous event without any layovers, so one person would have to sleep at times. They used a 6 point racing harness (seat belt) attached to the floor in the back of an SUV or station wagon to restrain the sleeper.

A sailboat trapeze harness might also work well:

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Hi RogerF,
Welcome to iRV2. Google "circus safety harness" or "laying down seat belts". Consider giving some of them a call. They may have something that is not in the Google search. They may have suggestions on where you can purchase the device you need. One could also contact medical equipment supply stores. These store have hardware for more medical situations than one could ever think of. Lastly, consider contacting your insurance carrier. They know who is approved for this type of device.
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You would probably not be in compliance with seat belt laws even if it was obviously better because a lot of testing is required for approval by the government. I would also look closely at ease of getting out of the apparatus in case of accident or fire. Good luck. If you have inner ear or balance problems let me know as my daughter does and the Eply maneuver is a big help.
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The previous suggestions are on target, you could also adapt whatever you are currently using in other vehicles to be used in whatever rv you decide on. Welcome to the forum.

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Welcome to IRV2 Roger. Hopefully someone will have a solution for you. It would be helpful if you tell us where you will be positioned. On the bed or sofa ?
Thank you for the kind welcome and suggestions for a lying-down safety harness. . Each suggestion added a significant point. Here is an idea based on all the suggestions taken together:

Idea: use a six point harness attached with a quick-release latch to an existing seat belt (or to more than one seat belt) on a sofa. I envision the existing seat belt(s) being cinched flat against the seat. I have not yet been able to envisioned how a latch on the back would be released. A cord attached to a handle on the front of the harness?

Any comments or suggestion for implementation? This will be my first attempt.

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A number of years ago I saw a tv program about the "One Lap of America" race. It's a 2 person team on a rally around the USA. They had to maintain an average speed of 53 MPH, which means they were often going well over the limit to stay on schedule after being slowed down by stoplights, traffic, etc.
This was a continuous event without any layovers, so one person would have to sleep at times. They used a 6 point racing harness (seat belt) attached to the floor in the back of an SUV or station wagon to restrain the sleeper.

A sailboat trapeze harness might also work well:

Excellent suggestions. I believe the six-point is the way to go, whether the auto or boat variety (I used to skipper a Tempest that used a trapeze--in the good old days)
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You would probably not be in compliance with seat belt laws even if it was obviously better because a lot of testing is required for approval by the government. I would also look closely at ease of getting out of the apparatus in case of accident or fire. Good luck. If you have inner ear or balance problems let me know as my daughter does and the Eply maneuver is a big help.
(Warning: this is a long post). I gave your point about seat belt laws serious thought, and I decided that by attaching a technically adequate devices to belts that are in compliance with the law would substantially mitigate any claims of negligence in case of an accident. Anyway, there is no reasonable alternative means of travel by road for a person with my limitations. I will take my chances with traffic tickets.

I would say that the government has been negligent in failing to consider the needs of the disabled who cannot sit for any length of time, many of whom are what lawyers call egg-shell cases--needing safety restraints even more than others. You could include people who are injured, sick, going to and from medical appointments, returning from hospital after an operation, or travelling non-stop across country--as we did in a wagon when I was in college. I would think the numbers add up to a good market for any company willing to wait for government approval. RV makers and users, AARP and other organizations could be mobilized to push for it, I would think.

RogerF

P.S. Your comment on balance brings up an important point about lying down in a moving vehicle. On the way to a hospital in San Francisco, I rode lying down in the back seat of a car. After a drive of almost two hours along the Pacific coast highway, I almost passed out when I got out of the car. I was seriously discombobulated. Perhaps the changing bank of the road causes the blood to alternately more toward the head or the feet, and I am sensitive to that now (when I was young I could handle it). When travelling lying down, it might be necessary for some of us to stop and walk around a bit every so often. I will read up on the Eply maneuver.
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I have to lie down while I travel in a vehicle, even in town, so safety in case of an accident is a real issue even then. It is even more of an issue when considering RV travel at highway speed. I can find discussions regarding restraining children and dogs,but none for adults. I would like to resolve this matter before choosing an RV, not after!
I would be extremely grateful for any suggestions.
Thank you in advance,
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Thanks to bluepill and all your help, as a result of which I believe there might be a straightforward solution for an adult lying down safety harness. The Gill DG49005 skiff trapeze harness has a quick release button in front. I believe I will find a way to attach the harness with existing seat belts on a sofa, and I would try this first. I have some thoughts for a six-point attachment system underlying a pair of twin mattresses, so the attaching cable would comes up from between the mattress.
I will report any outcomes.
Thanks again!
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RogerF,
I am a certified child passenger safety technician(among many other things) please contact your local state traffic safety office (Kansas is KSTRO) so your state should be similar, anyway there are specialized medical harnesses that when installed correctly will provide you the occupant protection and crash force resistance you are looking for.
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RogerF,
I am a certified child passenger safety technician(among many other things) please contact your local state traffic safety office (Kansas is KSTRO) so your state should be similar, anyway there are specialized medical harnesses that when installed correctly will provide you the occupant protection and crash force resistance you are looking for.
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. What I did find, thanks to your lead, was that the seat belt law in California (and other states and countries) has an exemption for medical conditions. I anticipate no problem getting a letter of exemption from my neurosurgeon if I show him that I am using high quality equipment like that Gill harness ($250) and how I am attaching it. Everything medical costs so much more, and often is custom made only. If I cannot find a high quality standard sport harness like the Gill that fits me, I would definitely go the route you suggest, with the help of a specialist like yourself, but for adults. Many thanks, RogerF P.S. How does a person go about finding a person with your specialty (for adult safety)?

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This section does not apply to a passenger or operator with a physically disabling condition or medical condition that would prevent appropriate restraint in a safety belt, if the condition is duly certified by a licensed physician and surgeon or by a licensed chiropractor who shall state the nature of the condition, as well as the reason the restraint is inappropriate.
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Just a thought look at an ambulance we have people laying down all the time no special harness just 3 belts across the knees waist and chest that might work for you
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Just a thought look at an ambulance we have people laying down all the time no special harness just 3 belts across the knees waist and chest that might work for you
I do see three belts doing a better job of keeping the body from rag-dolling in a crash,but also doing perhaps too good a job of immobilizing for comfort on a long trip. When unbuckling, I would need to train myself to always start from the top, so I can bend to unbuckle the knee strap. I wonder about the ideal position for the knee strap. Slightly above the knee perhaps?

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