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Old 05-24-2012, 12:31 AM   #43
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Wal-Mart pays it's employees more than the average for retail employees and offers health insurance. There is a huge amount of misinformation put out about them by the unions who have spend hundred of millions of dollars of their members money trying to unionize them with zero success. If employees don't like to work there, they can leave. President Lincoln fixed that. We live in a competitive environment and stores must learn to adapt to a changing world. Many have. Ace Hardware for example, has decided to offer what Wal-Mart can not and continues to grow. It is easy to slam Wal-Mart, but when you dig a little deeper, they provide 1.9 million jobs and pay huge amounts of taxes to many cities. Folks are free to shop anywhere they wish in America. We don't have the "state" operated stores.
Wal-Mart provides minimum wage jobs, has its employees come in on Saturdays for meetings without pay, keeps the hours low so most employees after years working for Wal-Mart have no medical insurance, and no employees are allowed to discuss organizing or they get fired.

There is no free lunch and every item people buy at Wal-Mart is an item that is not sold by a local hardware store, local clothing store, local drug store, local kitchenware store, local market. Wherever Wal-Mart goes in they get huge tax breaks from the local cities who are happy to siphon off sale tax revenues from the small businesses operating in adjacent towns.

I understand the appeal of saving money by shopping at a Wal-Mart store. I understand the selfishness that drives people to do what is best for their own short term interest and to hell with everyone else. It seems to have become the American way and not the kind of country in which I was born and raised nor do many seem to share the same Christian values, only the slogans.

How can anyone say they are supporting small town America and then shop at a Wal-Mart? As I said before you have to be willing to put your money where your mouth is or stop talking.
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Wal-Mart pays above average wages for the retail industry and employs over 1.4 million folks in the USA. President Lincoln provided that not one of them has to stay. The unions have spent over $100 million dollars of their member's money attacking them trying to get dues into the union boss's pockets. To date, they have zero success. Much of the propaganda they have sent out is wrong and repeated on this forum. If you believe it, that is fine, but don't look down on others who chose to shop there. Forcing the poor to pay much higher prices for their goods is not fair either. Many companies have competed successfully with Wal-Mart by exploiting their weaknesses. A great example is Ace Hardware who give the service and selection that Wal-Mart or the other big box store can not. In America, we celebrate the freedom of choice. Sam Walton turned a $5,000 loan into an $80 BILLION business. This is the essence of the American dream.
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Wal-Mart pays above average wages for the retail industry and employs over 1.4 million folks in the USA. President Lincoln provided that not one of them has to stay. The unions have spent over $100 million dollars of their member's money attacking them trying to get dues into the union boss's pockets. To date, they have zero success. Much of the propaganda they have sent out is wrong and repeated on this forum. If you believe it, that is fine, but don't look down on others who chose to shop there. Forcing the poor to pay much higher prices for their goods is not fair either. Many companies have competed successfully with Wal-Mart by exploiting their weaknesses. A great example is Ace Hardware who give the service and selection that Wal-Mart or the other big box store can not. In America, we celebrate the freedom of choice. Sam Walton turned a $5,000 loan into an $80 BILLION business. This is the essence of the American dream.
Wal-Mart was built by the American consumer's relentless pursuit of mass quantites of goods at everyday low prices. It's unfortunate that many American manufacturers have been driven out of business by the American consumer's demands for more, more, more, and cheap, cheap, cheap, but Wal-Mart is only delivering what the people want. Did you really need that whole gallon of pickles or was it too good of a deal to pass up?
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We make it a point to watch the food channel and especially, Diners, Drive Ins and Dives. We will plan our trips around finding these "mom and pop" places and have never been disappointed.
After seeing this I went to the POI site, POI Factory | new & interesting places for your GPS, and downloaded a GPX file for my Garmin 765 titled "Diner's Drive-Ins And Dives". Apparently the food network web site lists all of these places and someone created a file for them. I'm looking forward to checking it out the next time I travel.
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Road Food will also get your mouth watering,

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A ditto for the DDD and Roadfood sites. We went to Munch's in St Petersburg FL (from DDD) and the food was excellent. We have also been to Dixie Crossroads in Titusville (Roadfood) and it is worth the trip also.
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If you like BBQ stop at the Windmill in Texola, Oklahoma. It is the first/last exit in Oklahoma depending which way you are going before you hit Texas.

Windmill Restaurant & Trading in Texola, OK | 209 E 2nd St, Texola, OK

When you pull up the website do not go by the map. It shows The Windmill located in Erick, OK.

We always call ahead for pickup if we don't stop in the area. Good prices, good food and friendly service. Plenty of room for big rig parking, easy on/off from I-40.
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Wal-Mart pays above average wages for the retail industry and employs over 1.4 million folks in the USA. President Lincoln provided that not one of them has to stay. The unions have spent over $100 million dollars of their member's money attacking them trying to get dues into the union boss's pockets. To date, they have zero success. Much of the propaganda they have sent out is wrong and repeated on this forum. If you believe it, that is fine, but don't look down on others who chose to shop there. Forcing the poor to pay much higher prices for their goods is not fair either. Many companies have competed successfully with Wal-Mart by exploiting their weaknesses. A great example is Ace Hardware who give the service and selection that Wal-Mart or the other big box store can not. In America, we celebrate the freedom of choice. Sam Walton turned a $5,000 loan into an $80 BILLION business. This is the essence of the American dream.


Hanging on to "the way things were" is a sure recipe for failure in business. It's OK to be nostalgic, but business moves on and the environment is an ever changing/evolving/undulating landscape. Businesses need to be able to change with the times and make a foothold in todays environment. People who want to see small-town America come back are just longing for the way things were. I do too.

But the free market decides who wins and who loses (unless government decides the losers can't lose, but that's another thread). If we, the people thought that Walmart was a bad thing, Walmart would not have found the success it has. No one is forced to shop there, and no one is forced to work there. I would venture to guess that Walmart has enriched far more lives through employment and cost-of-living savings than it has destroyed.

Small town America, for a lot of places, is lost forever. For better or for worse, that's the way it is. Small businesses who refuse to acknowledge that fact are doomed to failure.
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Blue roads the only way to travel, shoulders optional. Been through more county squares and down town areas with really great people and places to stop and learn.
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You wil NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, EVER get people to stop shopping at Walmart by protest. If Walmart was charged with killing babies, people will still shop there. It's the prices, period, that is it. A small business that sells the same thing as Walmart can not survive. The only way to have a small business within driving distance to Walmart, is to offer something that they do not. Ace hardware is a good example, however they are NOT growing, they are shrinking in fact. They do offer a great selection and great service, but alas, they will only survive in areas too small for Home depot and Lowes.
We lost our Ace hardware after Walmart, and Lowes moved in within 3 miles.
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I did use the blue roads bout 14 years ago in a van while camping around the US. Now I have a 40 footer, and it will require a lot more planning. I've already been stuck on some roads due to the size thing.
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