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10-20-2018, 11:42 PM
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#127
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Junior Member
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Location: Benson, AZ
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Originally Posted by Superburban
Lots of diesel pushers have more weight per wheel, then most trucks. Those are hurting the roads more then most trucks.
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There is no way you are exceeding 17000 pounds per axle. Semi-trucks have a maximum of 17000 pounds per axle. Each tandem axle has a maximum of 34,000 pounds and the steers (front axle) has a maximum of 12,000. The roads are torn up from trucks, not RV's no matter how big your diesel pusher is. Even full commercial buses don't come close with a maximum of 13000 pounds per axle fully loaded. No way a diesel pusher is heavier than that and if it did somehow exceed that, you would be required to have a Class B license.
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10-20-2018, 11:50 PM
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#128
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Senior Member
Monaco Owners Club Vintage RV Owners Club
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I never slept in rest areas even when I was a O/O over the road! Way too noisy, with trucks coming and going all night long! I just stop in them now to stretch my legs, go to the bathroom, (in the MH), pour me another cup of coffee, and do a walk around, inspecting the equipment! Rail!
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10-21-2018, 06:29 AM
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#129
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Junior Member
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 16
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Originally Posted by Wrktfsh
How are various states about sleeping in rest areas. Not camping, setting up pullouts etc, just stopping for 4-7 hours and catching some rest in the trailer. before continuing on.
I used the search function but came up empty
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Try this site State Dept of Transportation List
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10-21-2018, 06:49 AM
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#130
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 303
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Originally Posted by soberlady52
We use the RV Parky app, it will generally tell if the rest area does not allow longer than a few hours of parking
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We use that app too...so far its been correct with our traveling routes.
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10-21-2018, 07:09 AM
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#131
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2018
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Originally Posted by rakuwoman
There is a free app called USA Rest Stops. It has been very helpful, most have a pull around circle and dump station. You can pull your slide out over the grass. These areas are away from the car and semi-truck parking.
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[emoji106]. I just downloaded this. Thank you. I e been looking for an app like this.
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10-21-2018, 07:26 AM
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#132
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Senior Member
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Originally Posted by FL420
I applied reflective arrows on both sides of all 4 slides before ever taking our first trip in our new to us coach. I later applied the white reflective tape to the lower corners of the entry door and the edges of the steps. Good insurance in a WM parking lot or at a truck stop or at a rest area. Attachment 223250
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Good idea
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10-21-2018, 07:29 AM
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#133
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2017
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Originally Posted by Superburban
Very few trucks are maxed out weight wise. Over 15 years of driving truck, I only came close to 80k less then a dozen times. Those were hauling loads of paper back from Maine.
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Six years of hauling redwood sawdust and I was pushing the max load everyday. But lets not turn this into a truck wight thread.
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10-21-2018, 07:32 AM
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#134
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Join Date: Nov 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Superburban
Lots of diesel pushers have more weight per wheel, then most trucks. Those are hurting the roads more then most trucks.
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Seriously!
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10-21-2018, 09:10 AM
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#135
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 1,459
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Originally Posted by weredoingit
Not sure I understand? Are you comparing RV axles to a semi's axles? Most Semi's are hauling as much as 80,000 lbs, are their any RV'S carrying that much weight? I'm not trying to get in a RV VS SEMI'S fight, but have you ever drove on interstate 5 down in the Bakersfield area? Hundreds of miles the right lane is tore up, I don't think RV'S did that.
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I'm not sure the gross weight has a lot to do with damage to pavement. Bridges sure, but the pavement sees axle weights, and maybe more important, weight per squire inch of tire footprint.
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Originally Posted by Superburban
If you are going to stop at rest areas, truck stops, ect, and it is in a pull through spot, stay towards the rear of the spot. For a truck driver, its frustrating to see a spot, and swing wide to pull in, then spot a camper at the front.
Similar thing, if its a back in spot, stay towards the front.
Just part of being a nice neighbor.
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Yes, this. Don't need to be right at the end, a little extra room at the corner don't hurt. Do you really think that somebody is going to pull in behind you, not knowing when you will leave? Backing out, he will be about 15 feet into the traffic before he can see. (of course IMHO, it is silly to pull a car into a driveway)
And why in the world, if you are just stopping to use the restroom in your RV do you need to park in the space closest to the bathroom door?
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Originally Posted by DryCreek
I think that since about 2005, the sale of trucks equipped with an APU have far exceeded the number of those sold without one. Are they a pain to keep running? According to both of my brothers, yes. But, they save them money in the long run. The newer engines are not made to idle for extended periods any more. The DPF will plug as the exhaust temps at-idle are far too low to allow an effective regen. It's cheaper for them to keep fixing their APU's than to be stopped for a day to have the DPF baked. Once in limp mode due to excessive backpressure and "stopped regens" you're out some bucks.
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Well, not sure about the "most" A large percentage of the hands I worked with are upgrading with glider kits if they want new...And will the baby trying to sleep in the next site know the difference APU/GEN? But the main point of my post is that given a half century of driving trucks, and camping for longer than that I know that by nature working OTR trucks would not be good camping neighbors. I feel sorry for the drivers that must sleep in rest areas, and even more sorry for the ones that can't find room.
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Originally Posted by JohnWMills
There is no way you are exceeding 17000 pounds per axle. Semi-trucks have a maximum of 17000 pounds per axle. Each tandem axle has a maximum of 34,000 pounds and the steers (front axle) has a maximum of 12,000. The roads are torn up from trucks, not RV's no matter how big your diesel pusher is. Even full commercial buses don't come close with a maximum of 13000 pounds per axle fully loaded. No way a diesel pusher is heavier than that and if it did somehow exceed that, you would be required to have a Class B license.
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I think I might challenge you knowledge. First, on the Class B license. Unless you are paid to drive it, that depends on your home state.
And the 17,000 per axle? That is bullsnot. By federal law, the limit for a truck on the interstate is 20,000. Now 2 axles less than 8 feet apart the max on the pair is 34,000, there is no requirement that they be equal. And you are correct, the limit on the steering axle of a tractor+semi trailer is 12,000 a truck with the right tires on the front can run with 20,000.
Then look at tire size. The small tires on some RVs likely put more pressure per sq in than the truck. And who cares how much a RV weighs? Have you ever seen one stopped and weighed? In the truck, hauling marginal paying or permit load, I might get weighed a few times a day.
BTW, the legal axle limit for a MH is 24,000....
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10-21-2018, 09:23 AM
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#136
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: GrandJunction, Co
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnWMills
There is no way you are exceeding 17000 pounds per axle. Semi-trucks have a maximum of 17000 pounds per axle. Each tandem axle has a maximum of 34,000 pounds and the steers (front axle) has a maximum of 12,000. The roads are torn up from trucks, not RV's no matter how big your diesel pusher is. Even full commercial buses don't come close with a maximum of 13000 pounds per axle fully loaded. No way a diesel pusher is heavier than that and if it did somehow exceed that, you would be required to have a Class B license.
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I looked up one, the prevost
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Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (lbs) 54,500
Wet Weight, w/Full A/C (lbs) 31,840
Axle Design Load Capacity-Front (lbs) 18,000
Axle Design Load Capacity-Drive (lbs) 22,500
Axle Design Load Capacity -Tag (lbs) 14,000
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54500, on 8 wheels = 6812 per wheel (yes, assuming one could max out each wheel/ axle.
80000 on 18 wheels = 4444 per wheel.
Any coach with 8 tires and over 36K will beat a big rigs tire load.
Just look at the bigger tires on the high end coaches.
An RV dealer here had to move, because the cops were constantly nailing the workers and costumers, for being over the tire load for state and county loads.
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10-21-2018, 09:41 AM
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#137
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Senior Member
Thor Owners Club Pond Piggies Club Outdoors RV Owners Club
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: NE. Ohio USA
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95% of our over-night boon-docking overnights are at WalMart's or Cabela's. We did use a Pilot truck stop as a last resort two years ago only because all the Walmart's in the area (South Bend / IN. Turnpike) were posted as "no over-night parking". I was past my alert-ness level (getting sleepy / 1am). The truck stop was packed with one corner parking spot available. I slept like a log...
It's been about 7-8 years since I stayed at a true rest area overnight. 90% of rest areas off non-turnpike freeways have limited parking spots. Personally I get nervous parking in a parallel parking spot, with so many vehicles pulling in and out.
On long haul trips, I'll research 2-3 WalMart's or Cabela's every 350 - 450 miles as my next boon-docking stop. 99% of Walmart's are within a 1/2 mile of any major freeway.
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10-21-2018, 09:53 AM
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#138
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: GrandJunction, Co
Posts: 546
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Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo
Yes, this. Don't need to be right at the end, a little extra room at the corner don't hurt. Do you really think that somebody is going to pull in behind you, not knowing when you will leave? Backing out, he will be about 15 feet into the traffic before he can see. (of course IMHO, it is silly to pull a car into a driveway)
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Ever since I learned to drive, and had a pickup with a camper top on. I found it easier & safer to back into parking spots. My logic, I just pulled past the spot, and know nobody is in it, and I can see straight behind me, to know nobody is trying to go around me. Then I can back in safely back into the spot. When done, I can easily see both ways, and very easily pull out. If one pulls into a spot, then you have to back out about 1/2 way for even a car to know if there is traffic, people, kids, whatever coming or not.
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Well, not sure about the "most" A large percentage of the hands I worked with are upgrading with glider kits if they want new...And will the baby trying to sleep in the next site know the difference APU/GEN? But the main point of my post is that given a half century of driving trucks, and camping for longer than that I know that by nature working OTR trucks would not be good camping neighbors. I feel sorry for the drivers that must sleep in rest areas, and even more sorry for the ones that can't find room.
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I know I was lucky, the first five years I had deliveries where it was expected that I spend the night at the first stop of the day. Then after those ended, I had the fun of trying to find places to spend the night. So I got a brown envelope, put a bunch of papers in it, sealed it, and wrote on the front with a marker, "stop 2, 8am delivery appt". and spent the night at a lot of those places. If I was hassled, I just showed them the paperwork, and the guards were happy. Then I would be gone before 8am, when the place opened.
Then I switched to LTL, driving overnight between the terminals, and back home each morning, pay was less, but the hassles, and being with the family, made up for it.
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I think I might challenge you knowledge. First, on the Class B license. Unless you are paid to drive it, that depends on your home state.
And the 17,000 per axle? That is bullsnot. By federal law, the limit for a truck on the interstate is 20,000. Now 2 axles less than 8 feet apart the max on the pair is 34,000, there is no requirement that they be equal. And you are correct, the limit on the steering axle of a tractor+semi trailer is 12,000 a truck with the right tires on the front can run with 20,000.
Then look at tire size. The small tires on some RVs likely put more pressure per sq in than the truck. And who cares how much a RV weighs? Have you ever seen one stopped and weighed? In the truck, hauling marginal paying or permit load, I might get weighed a few times a day.
BTW, the legal axle limit for a MH is 24,000....
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Well said. Just look at anything with the big front tires. Cement trucks, dump trucks, busses, motor homes, fire trucks, tow trucks, They all do more damage then most tractor trailers.
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10-21-2018, 10:08 AM
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#139
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: GrandJunction, Co
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Originally Posted by JohnWMills
I drove Refers for a year and I don't remember a load that wasn't pushing 80,000. Yes I drove for Swifters, but they pushed our limits all the time and each load required my tandems to shift, especially hauling meat. I constantly had to weigh each load and ensure my axle weights didn't exceed the law. Often times the loads were indeed overloaded, especially from Smithfield meats. I can't tell you how many times I had to return to the shipper and have them reload it because I couldn't balance the axle weights. I envied you dry goods guys that seldom shifted your tandems. Oh, but the .04 cents per mile helped.
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I had the pleasure of delivering to a few food warehouses, no way I could handle it every day. You have my respect. At least most of the paper loads I picked up, the shipper had a scale on site.
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10-21-2018, 10:42 AM
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#140
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Senior Member
Thor Owners Club Pond Piggies Club Outdoors RV Owners Club
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: NE. Ohio USA
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Originally Posted by Superburban
I had the pleasure of delivering to a few food warehouses, no way I could handle it every day. You have my respect. At least most of the paper loads I picked up, the shipper had a scale on site.
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I was a dock receive at a food warehouse for 30 years. Yes, I saw first hand all the damage a lot of trailer and tractors received from truckers backing their trailers into a tight dock spot. Especially their "blind side".
That is the main reason I avoid interstate rest areas as boon-docking spots. Going out west thru IL, IA, NE, SD WY, I find the interstate rest areas have only 10-20 parallel parking spots per rest area. So there is no way one can count on finding one empty.
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