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Old 09-20-2013, 07:19 PM   #15
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That rule is becoming common as RV parks fight to stay in business. The bottom line is; it it their business to run as they choose, and tenants agree when then they sign the rental agreement.
It is our choice where to spend our money. I either agree to the terms or continue on my way. Abuses by a few make it hard on everyone else.
As CG's fight to stay in business, mainly because of rising property values, they have two choices raise rates and/or reduce expenses.
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Wonder how they feel about heat pumps?

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Old 09-20-2013, 08:44 PM   #17
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It seems to me that if you don't like the rules as published at a privately owned CG, then, rather than cheating and steeling, you should motor on down to the road to the high price CG with facilities and rates compatible with unlimited electric use.

This is of course, just my opinion.
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We paid $55/nite in Yellowstone.

You can bet I used all 3kw between two heaters to stay comfy thru the 40 degree nites. I kept the propane tank full for emergencies.
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IMHO the park doesn't want space heaters to be used because using electricity for resistance heat is one of the most inefficient ways to use energy to create heat. I assume your motorhome has a furnace; why wouldn't you expect to use that for heat?
Not to be picky, but I'm thinking that what you meant was that creating heat with electrical units may be the most EXPENSIVE method per BTU of heat. Frankly, electric resistance heat is one of the most efficient forms of heating at nearly 100% efficiency. Think of it this way. All the heat created by that small space heater remains within the coach with literally no losses. Now, place your hand over the exhaust port of your propane heater and you'll get a sense of approximately 20% of the propane energy being lost to atmosphere. Similar, yet smaller heat losses, are also experienced on heat pump systems.

In the case of this discussion, the real issue is WHO is paying for the BTU's of heat. Either the campground owner (electricity) or the Rv owner using propane. I always assumed that using a small 1500W heater was acceptable during Spring and Fall shoulder seasons unless otherwise communicated by the campground. We recently stayed at a campground in the mid-west that asked in their printed material that you keep the A/C off when the coach was vacated. I was put off by that for two reasons. 1) some folks have pets that need temp control. 2) trying to cool down a coach that has been sitting in the hot sun and 90 plus degrees for hours on end can take a long, long time to cool down. I think that request was more about profit margin than electrical capacity or energy conservation. I'm supportive of owners making a fair profit, but not at the expense of basic amenities.

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Old 09-21-2013, 09:32 PM   #21
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Sorry, but I have an propane heater , and an electric heater besides our furnace. When in a park I always use the electric heater, that why I paid for full hookups..............
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OP Here: Sent park an email requesting clarification on "no electric heaters" rule. They did not answer. Also wifi fee is $2 a day "per computer!" Posted park update in rvparkreviews.com.
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I am sitting, as I write this, in a campground in western CT that charges $45/night for a full 50A hookup. In addition, their info sheet also lists: visitor fee $2/person, overnight visitor fee $5/person, no electric grills, no electric heaters, $2.50/day if you use your a/c.

I can't imagine how they would seriously enforce collection of these fees, but I can understand their problem. They probably occupy about 25-30 acres of what has to be some pretty valuable real estate, but they're only open seven months of the year. I'm sure its a constant balancing act.
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I was at a campground that has a famous cartoon character as a mascot. I read all the fees, and I had to initial to indicate I understood at check in. I really wanted to ask the nice young guy at the counter how much the fee was for "do whatever I want"

I know this is about not much else but money, but I'm relaxing on vacation. If I decide I need AC, or electric heat, or an electric grill I'm just going to use it. Sure, I'll think twice if I know it will have a direct immediate impact on others (brownouts occuring).

Nearly the entire country has electricty under $.20 a kWh. Typical cycling of AC or heat is only a few $1 a day. In extreme temps it is more, but in extreme temps you really want or need it.

It may really be time for the high rent or high kWh locations to meter. I'd much rather leave a deposit and be billed agaist it for actual usage, then to be scolded while making $5 payments throughout my trip. One easy way would be plug meters. At check in ask if the electrical usage will include X,Y, and Z. If so kindly leave a deposit for, and use, the device. Yes, a few jerks will bypass it. A few will lie, and use big kWh devices anyway. But it would give everyone else a way to pay for actual usage without harrassment.
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California has very high electricity rates as they have some kind of alternative fuel mandates which makes electricity at a much higher rate. They also buy a lot from other states.
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Rules are made to be broken. Who can remember all the rules? There's no way for a cg to monitor all the rules. They are posted so some will adhere. CGs are very busy this year and will continue as more boomers retire and start traveling. No feeling sorry for them. Some are poorly managed anyway. I pay their price to park and am entitled to some amenities.
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Sorry, but I have an propane heater , and an electric heater besides our furnace. When in a park I always use the electric heater, that why I paid for full hookups..............
When I pay for a 30AMP electric hookup, I'll use my 30 AMPS no ifs, ands, or Buts.
I pay 100% of the bill for it so I'll use 100% of it.

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Wonder how they feel about heat pumps?

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My primary heat is a 110 Volt portable AC/Heat Pump unit. (I carry NO propane)
They better like it if they rent me a electric hookup.
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