RV Trip Planning Discussions

Go Back   iRV2 Forums > iRV2.com COMMUNITY FORUMS > iRV2.com General Discussion
Click Here to Login
Join iRV2 Today

Mission Statement: Supporting thoughtful exchange of knowledge, values and experience among RV enthusiasts.
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on iRV2
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 08-19-2019, 11:09 AM   #1
Senior Member
av8tor2's Avatar
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Las Vegas, Nv.
Posts: 209
Tough times ahead?

An Economic Warning Sign: RV Sales Are Slipping:

from the Wall Street Journal:


2017 Jayco Precept 35s

2013 Ford CMax hybrid toad.
av8tor2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 RV Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

iRV2.com RV Community - Are you about to start a new improvement on your RV or need some help with some maintenance? Do you need advice on what products to buy? Or maybe you can give others some advice? No matter where you fit in you'll find that iRV2 is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with other RV owners, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create an RV blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 08-19-2019, 10:04 PM   #2
Ex Millwright / Army Vet
marjoa's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: FTers. We're all over the place.
Posts: 2,923
bla, bla, bla.

More propaganda, fear and fake news.

Move on everyone and enjoy your life while you can.

TEAM Martin & Joanie, FTers, RVM#181
2012 WGO Vista 35F, 5 ST, Toyo M122's/duallys, Centramatics (all around), TPMS, ScanGuage II, Safe T Plus, SS Rear Trac Bar, CHF (F/R), Koni FSD's, 2017 FORD Fiesta Toad, Escapees
Making Traveling, FTing and Our Motorhome "GREAT AGAIN".
marjoa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2019, 10:49 PM   #3
Fritz.'s Avatar
Join Date: Apr 2019
Posts: 86
I hope so. I just sold a house and am waiting for the next recession to buy again. Lol
2011 Chevy 2500HD Z71 6.0 gas/ 2004 28' pilgrim travel trailer 9880 GVWR(I never heard of them either)
Yes it's a slow setup
Fritz. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2019, 11:03 PM   #4
Senior Member
Smitty77's Avatar
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Over the next hill, around the next curve...
Posts: 4,482
A good friend commented how typical we hear so much doom & gloom on the economy. Recession coming! Dow dip's. Etc. But just a few weeks ago, he recorded the Big Three networks Evening News - and not one of them covered the dow's record breaking above 27K.... His view? Well, bad news sales! And they want to spin things in a negative way...

My comment back to him, after a my wife and I have traveled from Southern California to Oregon in May, via Hwy 99 and then 5. And then back to San Diego down 5 the full way month or so later for a friends 40th, taking out Toad. And yep then returning back to our coach in Oregon again - this time via East of the Sierra's Hwy 395. Was in this few months period of traveling thru these various regions - we constantly spotted 'Help Wanted' signs. (Sadly, we also laughed a few times, as pan handlers were on some corners with 'help wanted' signs nearby.

I also noted to him, that I'm approached a few times months on LinkedIn for either myself. And at times if I know of others, for professional positions.

Will we see a dip in the economy? Of course! It's a cycle. But we sure do not need the doom & gloom of the press to help accelerate things....

Roo II is our 04 Country Coach Allure 40'
OnDRoad for The JRNY! Enjoy life...
Smitty77 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2019, 10:16 AM   #5
Senior Member
hohenwald48's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Nashville, TN area
Posts: 3,144
People, especially those on Wall Street, have been looking for a way to predict the future since there was a Wall Street. I suspect RV sales figures are no worse and no better than the other thousands of methods the prognosticators have devised.

The question is "are you willing to bet money on it"?
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
2019 Newmar Canyon Star 3627 on a 2018 F-53 26K chassis w/6 speed transmission
2017 Jeep Wrangler JKU with Ready Brute tow system
hohenwald48 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2019, 10:50 AM   #6
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 1,334
If RV sales decline, dealers will be willing to negotiate a lower price on new and used RVs. It may be a good time to upgrade. With less people buying there won’t be as many used trade ins and the used market will be good for my trade too.
2015 Itasca Ellipse 42QD
2017 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Hard Rock
2011 Harley Davidson CVO Street Glide
TXTiger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2019, 10:57 AM   #7
Senior Member
engine103's Avatar
Monaco Owners Club
Oklahoma Boomers Club
Retired Fire Service RVer's
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 442
Motorhome sales dip? Just like Harley Davidson Motorcycles. It's not so much the economy, the younger crowd are not buying like the Viet Nam age group did.
Jim & Connie, Edmond Oklahoma
2000 Monaco Signature Classic FD/SO 42' / 1969 VW Bug or 2500HD
"My chains are gone, I've been set free"
engine103 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2019, 11:03 AM   #8
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 475
its all a rollercoaster ride there will always be ups and downs I would think coming into winter certain things would naturally slow down some. the sad thing is that our media will keep preaching it .soon a lot of people will start to believe it. then they will tighten money that will start a down turn.
Jay D.
Jay D. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2019, 11:15 AM   #9
Senior Member
creativepart's Avatar
Winnebago Owners Club
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Spring Branch, TX
Posts: 1,172
The economy cycles. Recessions historically occur every 6 to 8 years. So, based on nothing but previous history since WWII we are overdue for a recession. Actually, it would be a surprise if we didn't have a recession in the next 18 months. But there are big recessions and there are small recessions.

RV sales have been down for the 2nd year in a row. This is not "fake news."

Quote from RV Business trade magazine:
The overall U.S. motorized market incurred a 16.5% year-over-year sales decline for the first six months of 2019 as both Class A and Class C markets registered double-digit retail sales declines.
In the past RV sales drops have preceded recessions. Whether the same will be true in today's economy is not known. But the OPs article from WSJ (a conservative newspaper) just points this fact out. It does not predict the future.
2017 Winnebago Adventurer 37F
2016 Lincoln MKX Toad
creativepart is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2019, 12:07 PM   #10
Senior Member
Itchytoe's Avatar
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 761
I can predict with absolute certainty that we are heading to a recession in the future.

In the near future? Maybe. There are some warning signs that shouldn't be ignored.
In the far future? Maybe. It's possible that humanity will become interplanetary while will reduce the likelyhood of economic problems, but it's definitely still possible.
Sometime in the future? Absolutely! It's practically a statistical necessity. The likelihood of there never being another recession is astronomically tiny.

I'm in the group of people who thinks one is coming sooner rather than later. There really are a lot of signs pointing to it. I wouldn't be surprised if we hit one like the 2008 crash or worse in the next 5 years. I don't consider RV sales a factor. That's just too much of a stretch. If all luxury items are in decline, we might have an issue though.
2014 F350 DRW 6.7L CC FX4 King Ranch Ruby Red Metallic 148,000 Miles 4,200 Hours
2018 Cherokee Grey Wolf 29TE | Because I'm home, no matter where I am.
2018 Honda CB650F | Because the truck leans the wrong way when I turn.
Itchytoe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2019, 12:54 PM   #11
EJW's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 74
I read this article yesterday. I don't think folks now seeing a 4 day work week qualifies as fake news. I also don't think the folks in Elkhart, IN, who were interviewed, were making-up seeing a decline in sales. Seems like the primary sources in Elkhart are pretty reliable. The stats they quoted concur with what I read from the RV industry folks.

Now whether RV's are an indicator of a recession or the overall economy is another question.

I think many of us are still worried that the next recession will be as bad the 2008 meltdown. Seems pretty natural to work on trying to mitigate the issues before it happens. I think lots of people are doing what we humans try to do - connect dots and discern a pattern.

I am sure we all know people who lost jobs and a lot of money. I think that's what most folks are doing. I can say that as an RV owner it crosses my mind, sometimes a lot. After all, I have this big luxury item sitting in my driving way (well, actually not in my driveway proper but at my RV mechanic since my HOA rules disallow it. )

Interestingly, many economists were unable to predict/recognize the last recession even while it was occurring despite it being so bad (source: Silver's Signal and the Noise and Tetlock's Superforecasting).

We do know that recessions and economic activity is cyclic.

Unfortunately, things are so politicized that even natural human curiosity and discussion is getting chalked up to sensationalism and fake. I hope we haven't lost our ability to have a discussion without finger pointing. Furthermore, it seems like those thing to which we disagree (as told by talking heads/pundits to whom we listen) are painted as fake. I think people in places like Elkhart and other RV industry people may see it as non-fake since it appears to be impacting them. I truly hope they come out fairly unscathed. It really must stink for them. I for one wish them the best.

As another person pointed out, I have thought about whether a slowdown is a better time to buy a coach.
Edwin | Southern Jersey
2007 Jayco GrayHawk 31SS
5x8 Cargo Trailer
EJW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2019, 01:52 PM   #12
Senior Member
Ray,IN's Avatar
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: North America somewhere
Posts: 17,969
Originally Posted by av8tor2 View Post
An Economic Warning Sign: RV Sales Are Slipping:

from the Wall Street Journal:

There are already 2 threads on this subject. I don't believe in running scared. What can you personally do to change the situation anyway????
2000 Winnebago Ultimate Freedom USQ40JD, ISC 8.3 Cummins 350, Spartan MM Chassis. USA IN 1SG 11B5MX,Infantry retired;Good Sam Life member,FMCA." My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. John F. Kennedy
Ray,IN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2019, 02:10 PM   #13
Senior Member
NCC-1701A's Avatar
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 389
I think a local news source in Elkhart that was posted on Marketwatch did a better job of covering this story in detail.

It is correct that RV sales by the manufacturers are down. Historically this MAY have been due to the early entry into recession....a recession did follow an RV sales downturn 3 of 5 times...or 60%. HOWEVER, they also reported on how the RV industry has been over-stuffing the supply chain and over-filling dealers lots and finally, much earlier this year, dealers decided they had too much inventory and cut back on their orders to the manfacturers. In another post on IRV2, the exact details by month and RV type were posted. By far, the largest monthly YTY drop was January. While each month has been down, the amount it was down varied quite a bit, but it looked like the 1st quarter was a good portion of the overall 20% decline in overall RV sales. If I recall, sales of RV Park models were actually up.

The industry itself feels that the year will end with approximately a 14% drop in manufacturer sales.

Autos also fall into the category of a leading indicator...but their sales are only down very slightly year-to-date. <2%. Hardly a number to scream "recession is coming" over.

Recession is coming, some day, as it always does.
"Second star to the right and straight on 'til morning"
2013 Newmar Mountain Aire 4336
2016 Chevy Silverado 4x4
NCC-1701A is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2019, 02:12 PM   #14
Senior Member
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 304
Originally Posted by Ray,IN View Post
There are already 2 threads on this subject. I don't believe in running scared. What can you personally do to change the situation anyway????
Instead of purchasing 1 new MH, purchase 2. You will have double the depreciation which will help at tax time and you will contribute to the economy.

roscoesdad is online now   Reply With Quote

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Plan ahead, WAY AHEAD ! Ivylog Going Green 5 03-07-2019 09:52 AM
Tough time for Bailey tmar10 RV'ing with Pets 7 08-04-2008 06:56 PM
A pew or a canoe: Not a tough choice IronRick Just Conversation 2 06-29-2007 07:28 PM
OK, Here's a Tough One... (sorry long post) Kevin D. 5th Wheel Discussion 4 06-21-2005 02:51 PM

» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:24 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.