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Old 06-08-2005, 03:59 AM   #15
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Ontario has the red light cameras, in Toronto, and other cities are now following suit. Have not heard of a court challange yet and low and behold they are now talking about bringing back the infamous phantom vans with the Photo Radar equipment. Guess who the biggest proponant is, the Insurance Industry!!!

They stand to make millions from increased premiums from these ticket machines and not content to pay for the police overtime charges to supply extra traffic crews for radar traps and other enforcement, they now want to see the process automated to produce even more premiums. Altruistic! The Insurance Industry! Give me a break! Do I know them, you bet, spent my working life toiling for them. They are interested in only one thing, R.O.E. to their shareholders, safety, service and civism are all secondary to the goal.

Well that's my rant on this topic.


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The whole point is to get folks to quit running the stop lights. If you do not run the light, it should not take your photo...thus no ticket.


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I'm with Ken. If you ran the light, and it was a camera or a live person who caught you, it DOES NOT MATTER. Dont break the law and there will be no issue.
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Old 06-10-2005, 10:55 AM   #18
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Do you want to argue with the automated camera when it takes your picture and you DIDN't run the red light? Maybe you rolled six inches too far forward before stopping, and the sensor detected is as "running the light."

No recourse. Having said that, I did hear about a case where someone got a DUI dropped because the breathalyzer vendor wouldn't consent to examination of their source code in the machine.

Scumbags who drive while intoxicated should be off the street, but relying on automated systems to detect illegal activity without the means of independently examining the system to verify its accuracy is a denial of my right to cross-examine.
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Old 06-18-2005, 03:17 AM   #19
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IMO, this has nothing to do with safety, it's just another way to raise tax revenue.

Austin just did away with the red light camers, they caused rear end accidents because drivers were so worried about the cameras and would slam on the brakes and get rear ended. Someone sued Too bad that lawsuits are the only way to stop this revenue-collecting, whatever works to stop this automated nonsense is ok by me.

They take a small number of high profile cases and convince the average person the problem is very wide spread. The result is that normal people will think that major overhaul is required and personal / civil rights must be sacraficed.

This plan worked really well for the current administration's need to get the "terrorist act" passed. Funny that the FBI and CIA had a list of civil rights that needed to be suspended the day after 9-11. Wonder why no one worried why middle eastern men were taking air plane take off lessons on expired student visas? That law there (if enforced) would have been enough.

The above post about "no recourse" is exactly the problem, no recourse and no chance to explain the situation. Perhaps the speed limit sign had REALLY blown over? Perhaps a semi was parked blocking your view of the temporary 45MPH sign. You can demonstrate that to a human officer but with photo radar you are dead. Period. Perhaps you decided to enter the intersection 3 milli seconds too late because the Sanford & Son, overloaded truck on your bumper appeared like it might rear end you (this happened to me) No human interface to determine on the spot if a ticket is warranted or not. Perhaps someone ran a red light because they were DUI? A human officer could arrest such a person rather than just getting a ticket in the mail.

Dont let the do-good politicians fool you, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY With photoradar it's FREE money for the sates. No payroll to have a uniform ticket you and no court costs because "a picture doesnt lie" hahaha

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