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Old 11-10-2014, 07:17 AM   #15
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Wow, just read the CNN article listed above, here is the imporant info:
"The cost of national park passes will remain at $80 for the regular annual pass, $10 for the lifetime senior pass and free for the annual military passes and access passes (for those with permanent disabilities)."

We have purchased several anual passes over the years, and for the $80, always felt it was a reasonable price. I have to agree with CJ on this.
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I have no problem with a "stable discounted rate", but now it is virtually zero. Is there anybody that wouldn't be happy to get a $10 per year pass to everywhere when they hit 62? I am just saying that they went too far.
If the regular annual pass is $80/year giving seniors a LIFETIME PASS for $10 is criminal. I am all for giving seniors a discount, such as half the annual price, but a LIFETIME PASS for $10 is complete BS.

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We are close to yosemite but rarely go due to too many people.
Having grown up in the Yosemite area, as a local, we used to always go the weekend before Memorial Day or after Labor Day, never in between. Yes that meant some years we had to climb half dome with snow still on the ground, and the cables were down, and it was sometime very cold going up the mist trail to Vernal Falls, but there were no crowds and nothing a light coat would not solve.

The real shame for me personally, is that I want to take my family to go climb Mt. Whitney, its such an awesome climb. Used to be just show up and hit it, however now due to the demand, you have to make reservations so far in advance, that its pretty much impossible to plan for. The only time the mountain is open is late May-Sept. If you make a reservation and show up, the weather conditions change so rapidly, that if you book a reservation 6-8 months in advance its entirly possible you could show up and have some really nasty weather. Not so bad at the base, but once you get above 8K feet, things change very quickly, and you don't want to be stuck at the summit at 14,500 feet and be in a blizzard.

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Old 11-10-2014, 02:49 PM   #16
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DegoRed: Would you rather be climbing Whitney by making reservations and without seeing many folks along the trail with you or would you like to not have to make reservations and hike next to a mob of people? You're not the only one that loves the climb so you'll need to share it somehow.

We hiked 'The Wave' along the AZ/UT border. Only 20 people are allowed each day - 10 accepted by an online lottery many months beforehand and 10 in person the day before. Not everyone gets to hike it.

Do you make reservations for your favorite sports game, concert, etc...... and what do you pay for tickets for a couple hours of entertainment.

I think the new fees are worth it and long in coming.

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Old 11-10-2014, 04:06 PM   #17
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In the past 40 years, the U.S. has greatly increased the number and size of parks and monuments. The budget hasn't risen to the same degree. I bought the yearly pass for decades, since back when it was under $50 a year unlimited entrance. Now that I've reached the age, the $10 lifetime pass is nice. I'd pay more, and believe in putting $$ in the boxes in the visitor's centers. We taxpayers spend a lot of money on things I don't agree with, I too am worried that families and individuals won't be able to afford entrance to our wonderful parks. Then I see it's $96 a day to get in Disneyland, reduced to $90 for 3 - 9 year olds.

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Interesting thing, the photo shown at the link in the OP, is at a location that requires a 5-7 day backpacking trip or a 5-14 day river trip to access. I don't think the Nankoweep Graineries or the unimproved trail leading up to it requires much maintenance.

What concerns me more are issues like this. Plans to build a resort and tram at the confluence of the Little Colorado and Colorado Rivers, just outside the NP's boundary. Development Dispute in the Grand Canyon
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ScottyBDivin: We've all seen it happen with the Grand Canyon Skywalk - an awful thing. :(

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