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Old 06-30-2013, 08:17 AM   #1
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What's up with Ohio State Police ?

Motoring W/B on I70 yesterday ( Sat , June 29 ) from the PA line to the IN line . Doing my normal 55/60 MHP towing my TT and constantly being nearly blown off the highway by passing semi trucks . With a little pacing I find they were averaging 75/85 MPH . During the entire time I did not see one truck pulled over by the SP . I did count 8 cars including one large MH stopped by the police ,apparently for traffic violations . ( that's after I began counting , there were a couple prior to my counting )
What's my point ? After spending 29 years in urban law enforcement , not doing too much traffic work at all I wonder why a major violator pool is not addressed .
Any observations by you frequent travelers ?
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:28 AM   #2
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I traveled I-80 across Ohio yesterday - same thing - semis going like a rocket. I saw several state police vehicles and the only stopped by them appeared to be sedans or SUV's.
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Old 06-30-2013, 09:09 AM   #3
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Like you as a prior LEO my guess is that the truckers are using their C B radio to avoid law enforcement unlike the mormal traffic. I have a C B in our MDT that pullsnour fulltimer 5er I don'tuse it due to the bad language on it. Only turn it on when the traffic stops.

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Old 06-30-2013, 10:10 AM   #4
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Not to excuse truckers, but with the driving hours rule NTSA shoved thru, they have to push hard to get there miles in for the shift.
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Old 06-30-2013, 10:23 AM   #5
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Certainly a CB radio and a network of like minded people earning a living that requires them to get max miles in during a 10 hour shift may give truckers an edge in avoiding tickets.

I was recently driving across Ohio in my toad (5 mph over speed limit). Rarely did a truck pass me. I found they stayed pretty close to the speed limit.They can't afford a ticket because of their insurance.

What I did experience was a number of four wheelers driving from 5-25 mph (test, close to 100 mph, my estimate), half the time on the telephone...so if they get a ticket, I'm damn glad they did. The way they come up on your tail, distracted, is dangerous. There is no reason for driving 90-100 mph. And just so we understand who is saying this, up till a year ago, I drove a Corvette...and I drove it no more than 5 mph over the speed limit.

It is probably stupid to even drive 5 mph over the limit, come to think of it. In my coach it is usually 5 mph below...not that big a hurry.
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Old 06-30-2013, 02:06 PM   #6
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One possible item is sometimes by command of da-boss (Commander State Police) Police departments engage in a form of "Selective Enforcement".. NOT what you are thinking (Stopping one type of ride and letting others go) but rather enforcing one specific law or two. Just now I hear of a Seat Belt Enforcement drive.

Those vehicles you saw stopped may have been violating the law they were told to enforce as opposed to speeding.

On the other hand sometimes it's speed. Michigan State Police "parked" an aircraft over one stretch of the I-696 International Speedway a few years back, Foreget if it was fixed (Airplane) or Rotary (Heilcopter) wing, but before the "Bear in the air" had to return to base for refulling they had issued 85 tickets, You had to be going faster than 85 to get one and the top ticket was for 105mph.

A few days later.. The other type of aircraft, same stretch of freeway, same stats, right down to the top ticket 105 (Why do I think it was the same idiot).

Some days they pick the law they wish to enforce.
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Old 06-30-2013, 06:11 PM   #7
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One possible item is sometimes by command of da-boss (Commander State Police) Police departments engage in a form of "Selective Enforcement".. NOT what you are thinking (Stopping one type of ride and letting others go) but rather enforcing one specific law or two. Just now I hear of a Seat Belt Enforcement drive.

^^^^ Exactly, as a Deputy Chief of a police department we apply for grants from the state during certain times of the year. For us here in Texas the main holidays are Memorial Day, Labor Day, Thanksgiving and Christmas through the New Year holiday. The program is called the Selective Traffic Enforcement Program. (STEP) Sometimes it's strictly enforcement of unrestrained children and seat belts. Sometimes D.W.I. and speed and so forth. The state provides funds for us to pay overtime to put additional officers on the street to target only those violations listed during the grant period.

Now that doesn't mean my guys will overlook extreme violations of the traffic law, if there is an obvious safety violation, they should enforce it also.

I would suspect speeding of 18 wheelers is an extreme violation. At least it is for us. We have 18 miles of major highway (under construction) running right through the heart of our city. When we have a major crash on the highway, it's usually shut down for a minimum of about 6 hrs., if a fatality is involved even longer.

Prevention is the key, we'd rather prevent a major accident rather than work it.

Hence, major enforcement. As long as the red & blue are on motorists have a tendency to slow down.
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:24 PM   #8
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I guess the selective enforcement was in effect in SC last month when I came down I-95. My Escort detector can easily detect radar at a distance. Oddly enough while I was driving the speed limit I had cars going past at speeds well in excess of said 70mph limit. The only time the Escort blasted was when I went past the police. It was as if they were just targeting my Winnebago and no one else.
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Your Escort gives you a very false sense of security, I will tell you why

There are several types of speed detection devices..

1: Continuous radar,, Kind of rare now days, That's what your Escort works on.

2: What I call "Pulse" radar.. With this type of system the officer observes a leaping leadfoot Looser Says to his partner, "I'll bet that dude is doing 95MPH" takes aim and SHOOTS, and sure enough.... 95MPH (94-96, the officer is nearly never wrong with his estimate). So your Escort would sit there quiet, quiet, quite, YOU BEEN HAD SON!

Even with continous radar the police know how to park.. I have a story but not today.

Then there is LADAR (laser detection) harder for the escort to pick up, and again it comes in both types, Pulsed is most common.

Finally we have VASCAR.. The emmissions used by vascar are very easily detected.. problem is, they are detected all the time (Visible Light) you see Here is the basics of how VASCAR works.

Take a tape measure and mark off two spots on the freeway,, (NOTE: you can actually paing a hash mark on the road or you might use say a bridge or sign as your "mark".

now time how long it takes a patrol car with a certified speedometer doing the speed limit to pass between the marks,, Note it on a piece of paper and set up a spreed sheet. here is an example

10 seconds 90 mph
15 seconds 60 mph
20 seconds 45 mph


Of course I just used 3 lines but the actual sheet would have (likely) 5 to 20 seconds on it for that quarter mile.

Now have a spotter with a stop watch time the cars and look up the speed on the spreadsheet.

That is, IN fact, how many PD's did it before VASCAR.

What Vascar does is combine the yardstick, stop watch and calculator all in one box.. But though I have seen Radar Detectors that guaranteed they could detect VASCAR.. Fact is there is nothing detectable about it. The first Vascar units were not even electronic!!!!!!
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Your Escort gives you a very false sense of security, I will tell you why

There are several types of speed detection devices..

1: Continuous radar,, Kind of rare now days, That's what your Escort works on.

2: What I call "Pulse" radar.. With this type of system the officer observes a leaping leadfoot Looser Says to his partner, "I'll bet that dude is doing 95MPH" takes aim and SHOOTS, and sure enough.... 95MPH (94-96, the officer is nearly never wrong with his estimate). So your Escort would sit there quiet, quiet, quite, YOU BEEN HAD SON!

Even with continous radar the police know how to park.. I have a story but not today.

Then there is LADAR (laser detection) harder for the escort to pick up, and again it comes in both types, Pulsed is most common.

Finally we have VASCAR.. The emmissions used by vascar are very easily detected.. problem is, they are detected all the time (Visible Light) you see Here is the basics of how VASCAR works.

Take a tape measure and mark off two spots on the freeway,, (NOTE: you can actually paing a hash mark on the road or you might use say a bridge or sign as your "mark".

now time how long it takes a patrol car with a certified speedometer doing the speed limit to pass between the marks,, Note it on a piece of paper and set up a spreed sheet. here is an example

10 seconds 90 mph
15 seconds 60 mph
20 seconds 45 mph


Of course I just used 3 lines but the actual sheet would have (likely) 5 to 20 seconds on it for that quarter mile.

Now have a spotter with a stop watch time the cars and look up the speed on the spreadsheet.

That is, IN fact, how many PD's did it before VASCAR.

What Vascar does is combine the yardstick, stop watch and calculator all in one box.. But though I have seen Radar Detectors that guaranteed they could detect VASCAR.. Fact is there is nothing detectable about it. The first Vascar units were not even electronic!!!!!!
Yes I'm familiar with all of that. In practical usage I know for a fact that if the police are checking the speed of vehicles in front of me with radar, the Escort will detect that radar well before I get to it. Many areas of Florida, where I have lived for 40 years, have radar patrol and lasers. The Escort will often detect laser usage before I get to the officer even though everyone tells me it's strictly line of sight. I guess the laser beam reflects around off of vehicles, trees, structures, etc. In any event I stand by my statement. When I went through SC last month speeding vehicles passing me were not getting hit with radar and I was. I passed at least 6 radar traps and my motor home was the only one hit with radar and I got hit every time by every radar trap even though I was driving the speed limit. That has never happened to me before.
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What's my point ? After spending 29 years in urban law enforcement , not doing too much traffic work at all I wonder why a major violator pool is not addressed .
Any observations by you frequent travelers ?
Here in New Mexico, the "major violator pool" is law enforcement themselves. State Police, City Police, Sheriff Departments all violate most every traffic law on the books (not just speeding). I've never seen one of them pulled over either. Seems odd to me too.
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:41 PM   #12
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Getting back to Ohio, the Highway Patrol (no State Police) are notorious for giving tickets if you exceed the speed limit, period. I lived in Mich all my life, but drove Ohio highways for 30 years because of my job and they are by far the worst State to speed in. I always saw trucks sticking to the speed limit along with autos. So, not sure what's going on now with the trucks.

Now Michigan is a whole other matter. If you see a State LEO, just slow down to about 76-79 mph and you'll be fine
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For years, before any holiday period while in the military, videos would be shown that were produced by the Ohio State Patrol. The showed some horrifying scenes of actual accidents. When it came to the blood and gore it was blacked out but the mind's eye actually could capture the moment.

It was all about safety and what NOT to do. Some were tilted "Speed Kills."

Now picture this scenario that they produced. It showed a road grader that was just parked for the day and the operator getting off and going home. Then, kids came upon it, and like many children the inquisitive minds of the young had them swarming all over this piece of machinery. One youg boy was crawling on top of the grader blade, and swinging under it. The other boy was in the control seat and hit a lever. It showed the blade rapidly descending with a cut away of the boy underneath the blade. So you can imagine what the auto accident videos were.

It was supposed to make everyone a safer driver, at least for the holiday weekend.

So I'm not surprised that Ohio has some strict enforcement on speed limits and such, and justifiably so.

What is the point of speeding, especially in a motorhome?

It is perplexing to believe that they let a major pool of violators pass unchecked.
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As of July 1 Ohio's speed limit raised to 70 MPH for everyone. Ohio used to be notorious for writing tickets to truckers for 57 MPH when they had split speed limits. When the toll road eliminated the split speed limit to entice truckers to pay the high tolls, the state police said it would dbut nothing but blood and gore all over the toll road with semi's going 65 MPH. Funny thing happen the accident rate on the toll road went down. With all the vehicles moving at near the same speed there were less interactions(Passing and being passed), less interaction =less accidents.
The hours of service for truck driver also changed on the 1st. You still have 14hrs a day of which you can drive 11, but you must take a 30 minute break off duty before the 8th hour, unless you are hauling explosives which must continuously attended then you must log 30 minutes on duty not driving before the 8th hour.
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