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Old 09-04-2011, 04:31 PM   #85
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Here are a couple that my in-laws are hooked up with:
Hearthside Grove : Luxury Motorcoach Resort in Petoskey, Michigan

Signature Partners | Signature Motorcoach Resorts


That kind of partnership makes a lot of sense to me...

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Hearthside has no manufacturer ownership at all. I have no idea where that idea came from. HSG was developed by a local family that owns the local KOA (among other things).

Signature used to be owned (at least in part) by Monaco. Monaco sold their interest a while back (2009?). It's now owned by Sunland RV Resorts and Morgan RV Resorts, and I've seen nothing that makes me think that either of those companies have any manufacturer ownership.

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Old 09-04-2011, 05:03 PM   #86
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Hearthside has no manufacturer ownership at all. I have no idea where that idea came from. HSG was developed by a local family that owns the local KOA (among other things).

Signature used to be owned (at least in part) by Monaco. Monaco sold their interest a while back (2009?). It's now owned by Sunland RV Resorts and Morgan RV Resorts, and I've seen nothing that makes me think that either of those companies have any manufacturer ownership.

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I didn't just make that up, and see no reason why it could be a controversial statement...
Is it a problem for manufacturers to underwrite such businesses?
Besides my (owner) in-laws' assertions of mfr. ownership interests, each of those resorts have pages entitled "Partners", indicating an ownership interest of some kind.
The folowing logos/names appear on the page to which the above links take you:
Scroll down the page at Hearthside Grove : Luxury Motorcoach Resort in Petoskey, Michigan
You'll see Featherlite, Millenium, and Liberty Mfr.'s listed as "partners".
And at Signature Partners | Signature Motorcoach Resorts
You'll find that the "partners" list includes Newell, Liberty, Country, Tiffin, Featherlite, Newmar, Millenium, Fleetwood, Amadus, and the Conversion Specialist Foretravel.

As I said before, I think it's a very good business decision for these manufacturers to help to provide facilities where their products can be fully enjoyed.


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Old 09-04-2011, 05:08 PM   #87
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I think it gets down as to what you are willing or want to put up with. If you move into the ghetto you have a certain set of issues that you have to deal with that may or may not be something you are willing to do.
If you move into a more upscale neighborhood, There will be less chance of haveing to deal with issues of the ghetto neighborhood.
If you were to move into a gated exclusive neighborhood. The issues would be far different.
It is also true for Old money verses New money. Old money people are generally very down to earth where as New money people are many times very self important, and not much fun to be around.
It's the same with RV parks and what you can afford and/or are willing to put up with. There are some good and some bad with all scenerios.
Myself, I don't like gangbangers and I'm not very fond of snobs., so I'll probably run into you at a normal RV park. Just look for the IRV2 decal on my Rock Guard and drop in and say Howdy !
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I didn't just make that up, and see no reason why it could be a controversial statement...
Is it a problem for manufacturers to underwrite such businesses?
Besides my (owner) in-laws' assertions of mfr. ownership interests, each of those resorts have pages entitled "Partners", indicating an ownership interest of some kind.
The folowing logos/names appear on the page to which the above links take you:
Scroll down the page at Hearthside Grove : Luxury Motorcoach Resort in Petoskey, Michigan
You'll see Featherlite, Millenium, and Liberty Mfr.'s listed as "partners".
And at Signature Partners | Signature Motorcoach Resorts
You'll find that the "partners" list includes Newell, Liberty, Country, Tiffin, Featherlite, Newmar, Millenium, Fleetwood, Amadus, and the Conversion Specialist Foretravel.

As I said before, I think it's a very good business decision for these manufacturers to help to provide facilities where their products can be fully enjoyed.


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I didn't say it was controversial, and I didn't say it would be a problem for manufacturers to underwrite such businesses. I just said that it was incorrect to say that any manufacturers have an ownership interest in HSG (for sure) and Signature (as far as I can tell today). I'm sorry, but your in-laws are incorrect, about HSG at least.

The "partner" relationship for HSG and the manufacturers listed is that HSG sponsors rallies for those brands at the resort, providing some sort of discount on the spaces. It also allows manufacturers to sponsor resort events (cookouts, etc) and show off some of their coaches at those events. And other things like that. It's a business relationship, but not an ownership interest. All the local companies they use for landscaping and bungalow construction are listed on that page too.

We own a lot at HSG - I've read all the incorporation documents.

I expect the same goes for Signature, but can't speak to them with firsthand knowledge.

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Well, you can choose to live in Naples Fl or Sarasota and join the richie rich clubs but that's not my style. I've been very rich and very poor and you know, I haven't changed a bit either way. If you have a million dollar coach I'm happy for you. I also admire the guy who re-built his 20 year old coach and enjoys it. That's what makes the world go round. I'd rather rub elbows with people who know who they are, where they came from and where they are going and know that they are really no different than anyone else. I played guitar on the road for years and met "stars" that were really down to earth and ones that thought they were Gods gift to the world.

The real people are the ones who make a difference and I'm proud to think I'm one of them.... If you don't want me and my rig at your site then I guess I don't want to be there either.... We met a great couple at a middle class park in PA who just bought a new Monaco and it was grand. We talked for awhile and showed each other our rigs. Never once did they say anything negative about our 21 year old rig as we ogled theirs. They were down to earth people who got lucky and I respected them for it. It's not what you have but who you are....
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Our first camping trip was 37 years ago, in a tent. Like many others have, and more will, we slowly progressed from that tent to a very small travel trailer, a bigger trailer, and so on. Can't say we ever experienced any 'attitude' until we got up to our 38' fifth wheel. Then and now any attitude we get is NOT from those whose rigs suggest the owners are of significant means, but those who through choice or circumstance are traveling / camping in a much more modest style. It seems some fail to consider the work and planning that went into enjoying our RV adventures as we prefer, perhaps being conditioned by efforts in some segments of our society to convince those of more modest means that those that are clearly better off came by that lifestyle by engaging in some nafarious, enethical or maybe even illegal activity. I've met few that were born to wealth, but many that became successful spilling their own sweat and blood.

When I was 18 my girl friend at the time worked for an extremely wealthy family at their lake front weekend mansion. Nicest people you'd ever want to know. He was so excited one weekend to show off his brand new Rolls Royce to the pimply faced bus boy that was dating his house maid. I've enjoyed 'tours' of million dollar rigs I've parked next to in my extremely modest, at the time, weekend camper. Again, any attitude I've ever experienced, in 30 plus years of campground/RV resort stays, has been from those that have made some negative assumption about us without ever having offered as much as a 'Hello'...

And for what it's worth. We own a lot in a "type A" restricted property and it is much as RICKO has described. It is NOT a campground. It has none of the typical campground amenaties, such as a game room, bike rentals, snack shop or movies for the kids. We have a nice pool and a lounge designed for the comfort of the adult owners or guests, and that's about it. It was designed for type A motor homes in that most of the sites are designed as 'pull in', facing the lake. For what it's worth, the owners voted to allow 'Super C's', to help broaden the market for the developer (he ultimatlely chose to keep it type A). We chose the property for its asthetic beauty, friendly developer and the fact that it does not cater to kids, who are welcome, but likely to be bored to tears.

By the way, when we're not there, we may be the 'big rig' parked next to you in that county (where we are right now), state or national park. Come on over and say 'Hi'. We can swap RV and camping stories around the campfire.
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In 86 bought a new BMW 535i. They asked us what size boat we would be towing and when we responded not a boat...
Haw. If that isn't an invitation to be creative, nothing is

Hey, aren't the rig restrictions at some of the exclusive enclaves the same as deed restrictions? Those have passed every test of law and ethics that've been invented.

DW opines as lawyer: If someone wants to promote their business that way, that's their business...
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Sure!
Here are a couple that my in-laws are hooked up with:
Hearthside Grove : Luxury Motorcoach Resort in Petoskey, Michigan

Signature Partners | Signature Motorcoach Resorts

That kind of partnership makes a lot of sense to me...

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Hearthside Grove IMHO, is without a question the finest resort I have ever been too.
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I enjoy Class A resorts, but found a place I liked better in West Vancouver....they allowed everything including tents, but didn't allow dogs. No all day barking...no poop...

I wonder if this place is too exclusionist?
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I enjoy Class A resorts, but found a place I liked better in West Vancouver....they allowed everything including tents, but didn't allow dogs. No all day barking...no poop...

I wonder if this place is too exclusionist?
Some people would certainly think so.

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I enjoy Class A resorts, but found a place I liked better in West Vancouver....they allowed everything including tents, but didn't allow dogs. No all day barking...no poop...

I wonder if this place is too exclusionist?
What's the name of the park?
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Some people would certainly think so.

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Only the fanatical ones who are overly in love with THEIR non-stop pooping, peeing and barking/howling darlings - and assume all OTHER RVers should be too...
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