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Old 12-26-2012, 08:08 PM   #57
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It is how all too many motorists operate in this country. Add in the inattention as they try to hold their cell phone with their left hand to their left ear which blocks their vision while merging and the wonder is that only 40,000 Americans die in accidents on the roads each year. Most people survive in spite of themselves.

It should be understood that most on ramps and merge lanes were designed for cars that are less than 20 feet in length and not for people driving a very large motorhome or towing a 35' trailer. I appreciate it when a courteous truck driver moves over a lane to make it easier and safer for motorists to get onto the freeway. It is called sharing the road.

What should be taught to motorists of all ages is that the easiest way to merge is to slow down and pull behind the vehicle already in the lane. 99% of motorists insist on speeding up and pulling in front of the car or truck in the lane they need to get into and then hit their brakes to make a turn or take an exit. What do you do?
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What do you do?
I never have these "merge/yield" problems and thus can recommend my always-have-a-police-escort policy.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:25 PM   #59
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Agree the vehicle on the highway has the right of way over the one merging. Not exercising the expected right of way is more likely to cause an accident. Obviously if you have room to adjust and allow the burdened car in it would be courteous to do so.
The other side is that by slowing down to let him in front, the traffic behind closes up and the next four guys merging have no where to go....

I don't think a simple rules of the road discussion should invariably move to "his lawyer, your lawyer". At least No one has mentioned your insurance will surely be cancelled--yet.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:50 PM   #60
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What should be taught to motorists of all ages is that the easiest way to merge is to slow down and pull behind the vehicle already in the lane. 99% of motorists insist on speeding up and pulling in front of the car or truck in the lane they need to get into and then hit their brakes to make a turn or take an exit. What do you do?
I agree to a point. However, the many many people I see, they just drive onto an on ramp totally oblivious to traffic conditions until they need to actually merge with the right of way traffic. Only then do their heads kick in to actually do something. If any one thing should be taught, it would be that that entering a freeway is no different than a yield sign, you don't go unless you do not impede the traffic that has the right of way
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:05 PM   #61
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If you think because your big and heavy and have an air horn that you are superior, think again. All it takes is a small 4 wheeler to hit your front wheel and take out your steering, and who knows where you will be. The air horn won't help one bit. I have seen that happen. Defensive driving is your best bet.
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O.K. all you " cars-on-the-freeway have the right of way at all times" folks:

How do those traffic lights that feed cars into the unbroken stream of rush hour traffic jams fit in your ever-so-rigid picture???

By some "must yield" posts here, the first guy past the green should just sit there 'til rush hour is over...so I'm most eager to hear what you think he's supposed to do.
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I just found out its easier and safer to help them out and Iet them in. I've waited a long time to retire and enjoy the Open Road so they aren't going to mess that up for me that easily. Wherever I don't make it today...hell I'll make it tomorrow !
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O.K. all you " cars-on-the-freeway have the right of way at all times" folks:

How do those traffic lights that feed cars into the unbroken stream of rush hour traffic jams fit in your ever-so-rigid picture???

By some "must yield" posts here, the first guy past the green should just sit there 'til rush hour is over...so I'm most eager to hear what you think he's supposed to do.
The thread is about merging onto a freeway by the idiots who do not have the right of way as described by the law. It has nothing to do with traffic lights. Lets keep the thread on topic.
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clyon51 - are you out of your mind ?!?! making sense ?!?!
this thread is about every impossible driving scenario that has a .00001 % chance of happening...

couldn't be simpler
If I am the mergee,
I look as soon as I can see the freeway flow and match the speed and look for an opening, even if 3 or 4 vehicles back....

if I'm on the freeway,
I will move over if possible, if I can't, I WON'T allow them to pace me,
and will make it crystaly clear where they can merge...
i.e. to make sure they understand I'll either let them in front or not give them a chance to decide for me
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The thread is about merging onto a freeway by the idiots who do not have the right of way as described by the law. It has nothing to do with traffic lights. Lets keep the thread on topic.
Yes, but the post you quoted was referring to those "traffic lights" which monitor cars on to the access ramps to freeways in metro areas so IMO is very much on topic since the lights determine when each car begins its process of accelerating up the ramp.

These lights typically operate during rush hour. I understood the question to be: for those who feel an absolute right of way while driving in the right lane... how would you propose anyone to merge during rush hour?

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clyon51 - are you out of your mind ?!?! making sense ?!?!
this thread is about every impossible driving scenario that has a .00001 % chance of happening...

couldn't be simpler
If I am the mergee,
I look as soon as I can see the freeway flow and match the speed and look for an opening, even if 3 or 4 vehicles back....

if I'm on the freeway,
I will move over if possible, if I can't, NoI WON'T allow them to pace me,
and will make it crystaly clear where they can merge...
i.e. to make sure they understand I'll either let them in front or not give them a chance to decide for me
No I am not out of my mind, and I consider this a personal attack. The OP gave no mention of traffics lights, only merging of traffic on to a throughfare in which they have the the right of way under the law.
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FWIW, that won't work in California for trucks or anybody towing anything. The CHP will be on you in no time if you're towing and cruising in the "left" lane.... and don't be going over 55 mph towing either.

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The thread is about merging onto a freeway by the idiots who do not have the right of way as described by the law. It has nothing to do with traffic lights. Lets keep the thread on topic.

My query is exactly on the "right-of-way-when merging" topic, though you apparently didn't understand what I asked.
I obviously didn't make myself clear...I'm talking about the signals ON THE ON RAMP that meter cars into rush hour traffic. There's usually a "one car per Green" restriction. The light turns green and off one car goes...supposedly to merge with a solid stream of rush hour traffic.

Don't tell me you've never seen these...every metropolitan area in the U.S.A. has them!

Here's a picture of one, if that's any help to those of you that have never been inside an urban area:




So what's the protocol? Do the (bumper-to-bumper) cars already on the freeway "have the right of way", and the guy coming down the ramp on the green is just supposed to wait 'til rush hour is over???
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We find this behavior is the norm not the exception! My DW spots merging traffic for me by calling out the color of the intruding vehicle. Helps my reaction time especially in large metro areas.
You're lucky. Mine is completely oblivious to the world. I have found that it's not even worth it to try to get her to look up directions or find a parking space before we get to our destination. I'm driving a 40' MH and towing a 16' trailer at times and she acts as though I'm inconveniencing her.
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Wow, my favorite pet peeve!

I can't add anything, but I think I'll vent a bit . The freeway has the right of way. Merging traffic must adjust speed to either get ahead or behind a vehicle. These meatheads drive me crazy and it sure seems all the meatheads are always entering the freeway.

If I have the room without impeding center lane traffic, I will move over, just to avoid the impending cluster [moderator edit] that will be forthcoming with the meatheads.

If I can't move over, the cruise stays on and let the chips fall where they may! I get a warm and fuzzy feeling inside when they slam on their brakes or hit the shoulder. Yes I 'm still trying to teach, but there are just too many meatheads on the road to fix the problem, I still enjoy it though

One exception. No matter where I'm at, the truckers always take presidence over me. These guys are working for a living and I 'm always trying to improve relations.

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Amen!! Don't forget about service/access roads too. One of my biggest pet peeves is when they don't yield to the exit ramp.

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I make it a habit to slow down to allow the car in the merge lane to speed up and merge in front of me. What always happens is that they start to slow down too! Sometimes it don't pay to be courteous.
Not to mention the 9 cars that will squeeze in the 8 spaces you're creating.


The answer to the OP's question is this:
People are completely ignorant of the world around them, the traffic laws, the reasoning/theory behind the laws and how they are designed for efficiency and safety and they just don't care.

Take for example, the people who wave you on at a 4 way stop. Even though THEY were there first.What about the people that come to a complete stop in the middle of the road to allow someone out of a parking lot? I understand that they're trying to be nice, but they're (moderator edit) the flow of traffic and are TOTALLY unaware of it. How about those who don't yield when THEY have a yield sign and then honk at YOU? Like YOU did something wrong.

Don't get me started on the rubberneckers. Don't you just love it when traffic comes to a screeching halt, hoping the person behind you doesn't (moderator edit) you as you creep to 20MPH because the person in front of you is paying NO attention to anything except that person on the other side of the freeway changing their tire. Then as soon as you get past that point they speed up.
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