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Old 12-28-2012, 12:02 PM   #113
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I believe the law in California says you have to move over or slow by 15 MPH for emergency vehicles on the shoulder.
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Old 12-28-2012, 12:44 PM   #114
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Now THAT stinks! Glad you took it to court and I hope the LEO had to appear to explain his reasoning. Saying "the law is the law" doesn't cut it.

I think at least in some states, the law requires that one either move over or slow down when emergency vehicles are on the roadside... which would allow for what you ran in to.

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Here in Wa it is move over or slow to 25. Very few do. Some will slow to 40/50 in a 60 zone. That just doesn't cut it.
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Old 12-28-2012, 01:10 PM   #115
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I believe the law in California says you have to move over or slow by 15 MPH for emergency vehicles on the shoulder.
That means they would have to slow to 70 to go by. Won't happen in CA😎
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Old 12-28-2012, 02:18 PM   #116
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Old 12-28-2012, 02:33 PM   #117
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In Florida we have some of the most stupid laws.....no turn on red, guess what everybody makes a turn on a red light. To make matters worst, the sign saying no turn on red is post after a bridge that is blind to the turning driver.
Another is on a red arrow, which turns green when it's time, it seems that " everybody turns with and without stopping. If you are one of the stupid ones, the lean on the horn and go around and give you the stupid look.
Another one is when your at a major intersection, with a left turn arrow and it's your turn to turn, you must yield to the person who has a red light and must stop before proceeding.....well guess what nobody stops and you must wait till traffic lets you make the u turn. Some times because of this stupid law, the extreme left lane must wait for a couple of light changes before your get through. Mind you it's not a uniform thing....but you have to be aware that red lights for some people are just a nusiance.
I guess you have to watch out for everybody
??? the on coming traffic has a GREEN light is why...
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Old 12-28-2012, 02:37 PM   #118
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FWIW, that won't work in California for trucks or anybody towing anything. The CHP will be on you in no time if you're towing and cruising in the "left" lane.... and don't be going over 55 mph towing either.

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Old 12-28-2012, 02:43 PM   #119
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Not sure where you get that. The merging traffic ALWAYS has to yield to mainline traffic, if they don't it's their fault, no apportionment needed.
Because last time I got t-boned, the insurance said it was 20% my fault.. They said there is ALWAYS something you could have done to mitigate the accident.. Always.
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:02 PM   #120
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Another traffic situation that I just did not understand.. (Almost on topic- merging)

We were on On I-81, "Construction ahead, Left Lane closed all traffic merge Right" Traffic lined up in right lane but cars were still passing everyone in that left lane. Truck moved over to block the "line jumpers". Virginia Trooper lit him up and the driver reported he got a ticket for impeding traffic???
This moved 2 lanes of traffic right up to the construction site where it was stop & go to merge. Right lane had been moving about 15mph.
Because the merge point is the merge point, not were you first see the sign, nor where you merged..
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:12 PM   #121
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Many folks misinterpret this law. While stopping before you turn right is mandatory, actually turning right after you stop is optional.

In any of the 5 boroughs of NYC there is no such thing as "Right on Red". Just in case you should ever get there.
Correct, a 'Right on Red' is actually a 'You MAY turn right, if you want to and the traffic is clear. Please stop first regardless.'
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:26 PM   #122
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Really want to be confused. Take a couple of minutes and read this on California Highway Merging.....

Who has right-of-way when merging onto freeway? | Local News | PE.com - Press-Enterprise
Yes.. I have always been taught that the traffic must 'zipper' together.. if the freeway driver does not yield to merging traffic to allow this, the freeway driver would be at fault if an accident occurred due to their not allowing the merge. This is whether the freeway traffic is going 8 or 80. Now, the merging traffic has the responsibility to match speed and spacing to allow for the 'zippering' effect and create as little disruption to the freeway traffic flow as possible.

That is why on ramps are NOT 'yield signs' or 'stop if freeway traffic is too stupid to let you merge' lanes..

Those of you who think you dont have to speed up/slow down/change lanes for merging traffic, are, well, flat out wrong. Not to mention dangerous..
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:33 PM   #123
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Im kind of suprised that with 7 pages of discussion nobody commented on whether or not having the merge lane yield to freeway traffic made any sense.

When I got my license in Indiana in '76 I was taught that merging traffic had the right of way and it was explained thusly:
1) the merge lane is ending, so the merger has to be allowed in before he runs out of lane.
2) with elevated ramps the merger frequently can't see much of approaching traffic unless he's straining to look over his left shoulder - mirrors frequently don't show anything until halfway down the ramp or more. On the other hand, traffic that will be behind the merger can see him clearly and make room.
3) it's harder to judge speed and distance in your mirrors than it is out the windshield - and it's smarter to spend the majority of your time looking FORWARD - especially when the lane is ending.

i can't think of any counter arguments that make any sense. It just seems safer for merging traffic to have the right of way. Considering all of you drive motorhomes, when entering a freeway, the physics of trying to adjust the momentum of a 30-50,000lb vehicle on a short ramp as opposed to adjusting the momentum of a 4000lb vehicle with perhaps 50% more distance should be a no brainer - it's much easier on the car! If the motorhome is on the freeway it is a little tougher to make the adjustment but at least there's more room.

A lot of the arguments here seem to be one-sided: in this case whether or not the person tries to out accelerate you and pull in in front. The tougher case is driving with one eye in the mirror trying to hit the gap between the car that just passed and the approaching car, and on urban freeways, trying not to hit the guy in front if he jams on the brakes and then get rear-ended by the guy in back who is convinced he's got the right of way and hasn't left enough room for you to get in.

When I started driving the motorhome on Cali freeways I started noticing the difference in merge behavior. A previous thread on this subject had me check Indiana law and sure enough, it's now the same as everybody else - freeway traffic has the right of way.

First time I saw a yield sign at the bottom of an entrance ramp was in downtown Dallas - short curved ramp with no visibility to the traffic flow - which effectively made the yield sign a stop sign, followed by a drag race. Sheer stupidity.

In a lot of cases, even IF you have the right of way and cause an accident that could have been avoided by a more defensive posture, you might get cited for failure to yield, because you have a responsibility to avoid the collision if the cop believes you could have.

Sure would love to hear from a bona-fide highway engineer the logic behind giving freeway traffic the right of way.
Agree... 'cept 'freeway' traffic doesnt have the right of way as is being depicted here.. Its still the same as eveywhere else.

No where in here http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/cod.../ar21/ch8.html does it say anything about yeilding to freeway traffic.. Only 'intersections' and 'through highways'. A through highway is not a freeway

Do NOT rely on ehow or Answers.com to have it correct. They are answered by the same clueless people..
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“People on both the mainline and those entering the highway have a dual responsibility to ‘merge’ or get along – they share this responsibility. This is posted as a warning sign that shows two lines ‘merging’ into an arrow”
“However, on ramps posted with ‘yield’ signs, the responsibility is with the driver of the vehicle entering the highway to yield the right of way to the driver already on the highway.
“There may appear to be some inconsistency where the merge/yield is placed. A person my use a series of roads leading to the on-ramp, and there can be other roads that join the ramp. For the vast majority of cases of on-ramps, the last merge onto the mainline of the freeway will have the ‘merge’ warning sign, not the yield sign.”
Brian Walsh of the Washington State Department of Transportation

Traffic Q&A: Who yields to whom on highways? | Slowdown Lowdown - The News Tribune
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:57 PM   #125
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Still live in PA and no they do not..State requires those on the on ramps to Yield...here in York not to bad...but Philly...oh my god is it rough..
See above..
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(625 ILCS 5/11-905) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-905)
Sec. 11-905. Merging traffic. Not withstanding the right of way provision in Sec. 11-901 of this Act, at an intersection where traffic lanes are provided for merging traffic the driver of each vehicle on the converging roadways is required to adjust his vehicular speed and lateral position so as to avoid a collision with another vehicle.
(Source: P.A. 81-860.)
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