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Old 04-27-2015, 07:53 PM   #99
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Quality and good product does not really mean the same thing.

If something is designed with low cost materials to keep the cost down and everything is built to the specification for all said materials and all units are consistantly built to the design it could be determined as good quality due to the quality of the work.

As long as the low cost materials and the expectations of building to that design are clear then one has a high quality low codt unit that meets its design and expectations.

At opposite end say a company uses Prevost shells and all top grade materials but the engineer has no clue so installation instructions are not clear while the crew doing the work msy or may not know for sure so they do the best they can but due to no clear engineering no two are alike or correct so quality of buold is not what is expected and quality of design not good either while the expectation with a Prevost badge and price is high.

Those are extremes but to the quality control part it must have a buildable design then the build needs to be per the design and consistant.

If 12 screws are required at 4 inch spacing then 11 screws are a fail as are 13.

As others indicated many trade out before some items fail and next owner has no leverage.

Due to poor economy there is not enough customers to allow the free market to correct the issue as happened with cars.

As long as the manufacturers can have a backlog then they have less motivation to change.

The old pizza story applies...

None of your local pizza places deliver...until dominoes opens shop then they all do.

When a manufacturer gets their quality and price point correct then the customers will be attracted to them and everyone else will follow or die.
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Old 04-28-2015, 07:12 AM   #100
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FWIW I agree with J Birder and TQ60 up to a point. A good Quality program is relatively cheap once it is in place and working. The issue is the cost of implementation is higher today than it was 40 or 50 years ago. The whole system has changed to de emphasis physical labor then we complain that productive work is not done well when few folks understand what "well" is. Engineering tools have shown a lot of past practice looks good but is not. Modern materials used well are better than the old "solid wood or metal" approaches. Modern competition has centered on price so we are in a race to the bottom for the competitive folks. Enough soap box.
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Old 04-29-2015, 07:40 AM   #101
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I would bet that as much as 90% of new buyers would list price as their number one factor in making a decision over which rig to buy. We start out with how much we want to spend, NOT how much quality we're looking for. Once we determine what our budget is, then we decide what we're willing to compromise on to stay within that budget. And the less informed we are, the less "quality" we purchase.
Someone who is uninformed may buy a bigger/newer coach over a smaller/older coach that falls within the same price range, even through the smaller/older coach may be a much higher quality unit.
Does it work that way for everyone, no...but that's the majority of people I run into at campgrounds and at work, etc.
For too many, it's an impulse buy as opposed to the people that take the time to do research (usually here). They go to a show, or stop by the local RV dealer when they're in a good mood, and that afternoon they sign papers as happy new RV owners.
Does that mean the entire industry caters to them? Not at all.
People here know that there are higher quality rigs and lower quality rigs. That's the way the system works. You can't expect every manufacturer to build Prevost quality coaches at Yugo prices. And there is obviously a market for Yugo-priced rigs
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Old 04-29-2015, 10:35 AM   #102
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Agree.

In fact there are many who counsel new buyers to purchase a cheaper, smaller rig to see "if you like it" before making the commitment for a larger more expensive unit.
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Old 04-29-2015, 11:06 AM   #103
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Quality Control does not equal the word Quality. Quality Control is the procedure to assure that a final product meets or exceeds design/required specifications.

Quality is in the eyes of the beholder/pocket book.

Glitziness also does not equal QC or Quality. It has to do with Thorsten Veblen's "Theory of the Leisure Class".

Buying a motorhome or other RV and staying within your needs some might say is wisdom.

Buying a RV to impress others some might say Thorstein you are a genius.

Some people are just frigging idiots.

Amen!
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Old 04-29-2015, 12:37 PM   #104
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"The old pizza story applies...

None of your local pizza places deliver...until dominoes opens shop then they all do."

We delivered pizzas 50 yrs ago, Dominoes didn't invent it.
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Old 04-29-2015, 03:28 PM   #105
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"The old pizza story applies...

None of your local pizza places deliver...until dominoes opens shop then they all do."

We delivered pizzas 50 yrs ago, Dominoes didn't invent it.

So is what you are saying if you want a crappy RV, or pizza, have it delivered?
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No...just a general statement about competition.


Back in the day pizza delivery was not common in most parts.

Dominoes comes to town and forces competitive stores to also deliver if they did not.

American cars were forced to do better not by the government but by other makers who made possibly better cars for less.
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No...just a general statement about competition.


Back in the day pizza delivery was not common in most parts.

Dominoes comes to town and forces competitive stores to also deliver if they did not.

American cars were forced to do better not by the government but by other makers who made possibly better cars for less.
The gov't has had a big hand in getting us less polluting cars
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True gvt required cleaner cars and safety equipment and lemon law made it easier to fight bad quality but competition drives the end result.
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The gov't has had a big hand in getting us less polluting cars
Gvot passed the laws after realizing the green movement has a lot of clout. Even the car makers money and lobbiests could not out clout the greens.
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Gvot passed the laws after realizing the green movement has a lot of clout. Even the car makers money and lobbiests could not out clout the greens.

So you are pro pollution and anti green. The car and motorhome I drive today is far superior to what I drove 20 to 40 years ago and the air is a lot cleaner.
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So you are pro pollution and anti green. The car and motorhome I drive today is far superior to what I drove 20 to 40 years ago and the air is a lot cleaner.
Recognizing power structures does not indicate support. OTOH there is ample room to question the path to certain outcomes in many things. Just as an example I would make it a requirement that all goods sold in the US must be made by factories that fully pass US run pollution requirements. ;-) I don't see exporting work to avoid anti pollution laws as a good idea.
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Old 05-02-2015, 07:17 AM   #112
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Quality is directly linked to the workers PRIDE in what they do. Oh wait PRIDE is not a politically correct word anymore! Sorry I forgot I flashed back to the 60's
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