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Old 05-02-2015, 07:22 AM   #113
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Quality is directly linked to the workers PRIDE in what they do. Oh wait PRIDE is not a politically correct word anymore! Sorry I forgot I flashed back to the 60's
Worker pride is important but management sets the policy and the pace; you can only work as carefully as management allows.
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So you are pro pollution and anti green. The car and motorhome I drive today is far superior to what I drove 20 to 40 years ago and the air is a lot cleaner.
I think he was saying just the opposite.
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Old 05-02-2015, 08:48 AM   #115
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Quality is directly linked to the workers PRIDE in what they do. Oh wait PRIDE is not a politically correct word anymore! Sorry I forgot I flashed back to the 60's
NONSENSE!
All the pride in the world won't do a bit of good when he hasn't been trained, and doesn't have drawings or specifications that tell him that this piece of wire should be red, 37-1/4" long, and #12 AWG. A drawing that shows how it is to be routed, would also be useful.

Having spent many years as a Director of Quality Assurance in the medical device industry, I can tell you that that when workers are provided with suitable documentation, the result is good (conforming) product. When the manufacturer doesn't bother producing documentation, the worker produces junk.

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Old 05-02-2015, 09:28 AM   #116
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NONSENSE!
All the pride in the world won't do a bit of good when he hasn't been trained, and doesn't have drawings or specifications that tell him that this piece of wire should be red, 37-1/4" long, and #12 AWG. A drawing that shows how it is to be routed, would also be useful.

Having spent many years as a Director of Quality Assurance in the medical device industry, I can tell you that that when workers are provided with suitable documentation, the result is good (conforming) product. When the manufacturer doesn't bother producing documentation, the worker produces junk.

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I can only agree on the "Trained" aspect. Another word for this is "Qualified". This thread started because of what I found when replacing the heated mirror switch. I could not believe it.

Some people confuse Construction quality with Material quality.
I expect lower material quality with lower priced coaches.
But I think a cheap switch or an expensive diamond studded switch should still be install properly.

I have been in a auto shop where a tech could remove a access panel by taking out 8 screws. But instead he removed 4 screws and bent the panel out of the way. There is never a reason not to do something correctly.


This is the very reason that I do all of my own repairs (Home & Auto).

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Old 05-02-2015, 10:10 AM   #117
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The rv techs must chuckle when they see the expert wannabes who think they can invent the wheel again.
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Sorry, missing the point on this post.....

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The rv techs must chuckle when they see the expert wannabes who think they can invent the wheel again.
Me too Dan, they can chuckle all they want. Chuckling won't pay their bills and it will eventually catch up to them in lack of business. I feel that most work that needs to be done on my MH, I can and will do better myself than your "RV Tech that Chuckles". I do any work on my MH that I have the proper tools to do, for all other repairs I use the Newmar recommended mechanic who has worked on ours from the start, including the PDI.
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All the pride in the world won't do a bit of good when he hasn't been trained, and doesn't have drawings or specifications that tell him that this piece of wire should be red, 37-1/4" long, and #12 AWG. A drawing that shows how it is to be routed, would also be useful.

Having spent many years as a Director of Quality Assurance in the medical device industry, I can tell you that that when workers are provided with suitable documentation, the result is good (conforming) product. When the manufacturer doesn't bother producing documentation, the worker produces junk.

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Just read his signature! Now I see the problem Birder is an ENGINEER!
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Just read his signature! Now I see the problem Birder is an ENGINEER!
Yes. I am, and is't a solution, not a problem.

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Yes. I am, and is't a solution, not a problem.

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Naaaa just an idea.
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NONSENSE!
All the pride in the world won't do a bit of good when he hasn't been trained, and doesn't have drawings or specifications that tell him that this piece of wire should be red, 37-1/4" long, and #12 AWG. A drawing that shows how it is to be routed, would also be useful.

Having spent many years as a Director of Quality Assurance in the medical device industry, I can tell you that that when workers are provided with suitable documentation, the result is good (conforming) product. When the manufacturer doesn't bother producing documentation, the worker produces junk.

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I agree; and that gave birth to the ISO standards virtually every company uses today. It still requires diligent management to make it work.
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So you are pro pollution and anti green. The car and motorhome I drive today is far superior to what I drove 20 to 40 years ago and the air is a lot cleaner.
Sorry Mr Grump you took it that way. You drive a car that is much better in spite of government not because of it. You are probably not old enough to remember a fellow named Ralph Nader. If not for people like him the car industry would likely still be making marginal cars.

Not to long ago GM was knowingly producing cars with faulty ignition switches. Here is an article that may be of interest. GM Recall, faulty Ignition Switch - Consumer Reports
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As the fellow who could have built J Birder's prototypes, supplied the data and half written the paperwork he authored or been one of the folks using it depending on what job hat I was wearing at the time, he has a point.

The only quibble I have with him is that today's worker often has never been taught to use tools. The worst group of tool users I ever encountered was a group of University Professors I worked for for a couple of years. By then the public schools had stopped teaching shop and the Universities sold their students junk while never talking about the tools they required. Everyone assumed they knew what they were doing. More broken stuff than I care to think about. They were producing the folks who one would assume would be hiring and training the folks actually doing the production.
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Sorry Mr Grump you took it that way. You drive a car that is much better in spite of government not because of it. You are probably not old enough to remember a fellow named Ralph Nader. If not for people like him the car industry would likely still be making marginal cars.

Not to long ago GM was knowingly producing cars with faulty ignition switches. Here is an article that may be of interest. GM Recall, faulty Ignition Switch - Consumer Reports

I do remember Ralph Nader. Tell me one thing he did that made cars better. He set the U.S. Auto Industries attempt to build small fuel efficient cars back three decades and gave the Japanese time to take the lead costing hundreds of thousands of American jobs. The early Corvair had a design problem and even though the design had already been changed he jumped on in order to make himself a name.
Some gov't regulations on cars were and are stupid and ill conceived while others have helped quality,mileage and emissions.
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