Go Back   iRV2 Forums > iRV2.com COMMUNITY FORUMS > Just Conversation
Click Here to Login
Join iRV2 Today

Mission Statement: Supporting thoughtful exchange of knowledge, values and experience among RV enthusiasts.
Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on iRV2
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 01-06-2011, 01:21 PM   #1
Senior Member
 
Vegasdan's Avatar
 
National RV Owners Club
Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,873
An email from one of the troops-good read

This from one of our heroes coming home from defending our freedom.....

As the Chalk Leader for my flight home from Afghanistan, I witnessed the following:

When we were on our way back from Afghanistan, we flew out of Baghram Air Field. We went through customs at BAF, full body scanners (no groping), had all of our bags searched, the whole nine yards. Our first stop was Shannon, Ireland to refuel. After that, we had to stop at Indianapolis, Indiana, to drop off about 100 folks from the Indiana National Guard. That's where the stupid started.
First, everyone was forced to get off the plane-even though the plane wasn't refueling again. All 330 people got off that plane, rather than let the 100 people from the ING get off. We were filed from the plane to a holding area. No vending machines, no means of escape. Only a male/female latrine.
It's probably important to mention that we were ALL carrying weapons. Everyone was carrying an M4 Carbine (rifle) and some, like me, were also carrying an M9 pistol. Oh, and our gunners had M-240B machine guns. Of course, the weapons weren't loaded. And we had been cleared of all ammo well before we even got to customs at Baghram, then AGAIN at customs.
The TSA personnel at the airport seriously considered making us unload all of the baggage from the SECURE cargo hold to have it reinspected. Keep in mind, this cargo had been unpacked, inspected piece by piece by U.S. Customs officials, resealed and had bomb-sniffing dogs give it a one-hour run through. After two hours of sitting in this holding area, the TSA decided not to re-inspect our cargo-just to inspect us again: Soldiers on the way home from war, who had already been inspected, re-inspected and kept in a SECURE holding area for 2 hours. Ok, whatever. So we lined up to go through security AGAIN.
This is probably another good time to remind you all that all of us were carrying actual assault rifles, and some of us were also carrying pistols.
So we're in line, going through one at a time. One of our Soldiers had his Gerber multi-tool. TSA confiscated it. Kind of ridiculous, but it gets better. A few minutes later, a guy empties his pockets and has a pair of nail clippers. Nail clippers. TSA informs the Soldier that they're going to confiscate his nail clippers. The conversation went something like this

TSA Guy: You can't take those on the plane.

Soldier: What? I've had them since we left country.

TSA Guy: You're not supposed to have them.

Soldier: Why?

TSA Guy: They can be used as a weapon.

Soldier: [touches butt stock of the rifle] But this actually is a weapon. And I'm allowed to take it on.

TSA Guy: Yeah but you can't use it to take over the plane. You don't have bullets.

Soldier: And I can take over the plane with nail clippers?

TSA Guy: [awkward silence]

Me: Dude, just give him your damn nail clippers so we can get out of here. I'll buy you a new set.

Soldier: [hands nail clippers to TSA guy, makes it through security]

To top it off, the TSA demanded we all be swabbed for "explosive residue" detection. Everyone failed, [go figure, we just came home from a war zone], because we tested positive for "Gun Powder Residue". Who the hell is hiring these people?
This might be a good time to remind everyone that approximately 233 people re-boarded that plane with assault rifles, pistols, and machine guns-but nothing that could have been used as a weapon.

Can someone please tell me: What happened to OUR country while we were gone?

Sgt. Mad Dog Tracy


__________________

__________________
2001 National Tradewinds 7370 300 Cat
2011 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sport
Officially fulltiming. The Journey Begins
Vegasdan is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 RV Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

iRV2.com RV Community - Are you about to start a new improvement on your RV or need some help with some maintenance? Do you need advice on what products to buy? Or maybe you can give others some advice? No matter where you fit in you'll find that iRV2 is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with other RV owners, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create an RV blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 01-06-2011, 01:53 PM   #2
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 80
Kind of puts it all in perspective, doesn't it?
__________________

__________________
Maggie
2010 Sportsmen Classic 16BH
2002 F150 Super Crew with 4.6 L, 3.73 ratio
sandersmr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2011, 02:37 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
powerboatr's Avatar
 
Damon Owners Club
Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: North East Texas
Posts: 3,666
a few things happened

TSA has had more grey matter removed from their policy makers, beause they fialed miserably at just about every airport in the country

your CO should have bent tsa in half and let you board and go home to be with your loved ones,
THANK YOU for your SERVICE


was the ING departure at a commercial airfield or a guard field

I think TSA thinks it funny to inconvenience anyone, especially those that actually have real jobs like yours

you guys should have got into formation...and aimed at TSA i bet some stuff would have moved then

and you guys are easy targets for tsa, they know you want to get home and will comply with their ridiculous methods

anyway
DID i say WELCOME Home yet?
WELCOME HOME We appreciate you and what you do
__________________
USN Retired, Life time member of the DAV.
Enjoying the 2008 Damon Tuscany 4056, no your eyes are fine, there are really 6 slides
2016 Expedition Toad on Hauler flat bed
powerboatr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2011, 03:28 PM   #4
Registered User
 
Fleetwood Owners Club
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Granite Falls, NC
Posts: 1,156
Blog Entries: 8
God bless our Troops

To Sgt. Mad Dog Tracy.

One. As a former Sailor from before you were born, let me apologize to you and your hero's for your deplorable treatment as a ''Welcome Home'' given you by people that should not be allowed to eat with a fork.
These ''dip weeds'' in the TSA should have to spend some time in the sand box you guys came in from and they would come back to the USA and kiss the ground. (its hard for a Sailor to say ''dip weed'' there is a better words but this is a family forum)
Two. Ten thousand thank you's for your service to this great nation. You can ask anyone on this forum and they will tell you that I am one of our biggest supporters of our troops. Again, I most profoundly apologize for your deplorable treatment and I welcome you back to this country.
Please try to understand that these people with the TSA probably don't qualify as a door greeter at WallyWorld but their brother in law got them the job with the TSA and they have to make themselves feel important by harassing our service men and women that will jump thru hoops in order to get home to their friends and family.
Three.... Again, may God bless you for your service and lets all pray that these TSA ''jugheads'' get HEMORRHOIDS and jock itch real bad....

God bless our troops and bring them ALL HOME safe and real soon....

p.s. In retrospect I wish your LT. could have formed you guys, called you to attention, screamed ''FIX BAYONETS'' and ''PREPARE TO CHARGE'' and watched them TSA people wet their pants....lol...
__________________
Seajay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2011, 06:28 PM   #5
Moderator Emeritus
 
TXiceman's Avatar


 
Vintage RV Owners Club
Texas Boomers Club
Oklahoma Boomers Club
Ford Super Duty Owner
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Full Time, TX Home Base
Posts: 17,150
Blog Entries: 21
TSA = Terminally Stupid A(you fill in the rest).

Ken
__________________
Amateur Radio Operator (KE5DFR)|Full-Time! - 2012 6.7L Ford Crew Cab Dually -2013 HitchHiker Champagne 38RLRSB - Travel with one Standard Schnauzer and one small Timneh African Gray Parrot
TXiceman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2011, 07:10 PM   #6
Senior Member
 
FDchief's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 563
Vegasdan, first of all, let me give you and the rest of the gang on the flight home a warm thank you, and congrats on a job well done.

Now is regards to the TSA; I guess they are doing a valuable service, even though I haven't seen any evidence to that fact yet. The underlying theme is a good one, but the people who are hired to accomplish the task are embarrassing nitwits. I saw an 80 y/o grandmother pulled from the line for a random body scan during a recent flight. I can't believe this lady was given the wand treatment! Let me see, most terrorist suspects have been 25-45 years of age, and middle eastern descent. She fit the profile! I was relieved when they x-rayed her walker. Tragedy averted
__________________

Greg & Lynn (Full-Timing)
2011 Phaeton 42 QBH / Spartan Chassis
2003 Jeep GC Overland in Tow
FDchief is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2011, 10:07 PM   #7
Senior Member
 
Vegasdan's Avatar
 
National RV Owners Club
Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,873
Quote:
Originally Posted by FDchief View Post
Vegasdan, first of all, let me give you and the rest of the gang on the flight home a warm thank you, and congrats on a job well done.

Now is regards to the TSA; I guess they are doing a valuable service, even though I haven't seen any evidence to that fact yet. The underlying theme is a good one, but the people who are hired to accomplish the task are embarrassing nitwits. I saw an 80 y/o grandmother pulled from the line for a random body scan during a recent flight. I can't believe this lady was given the wand treatment! Let me see, most terrorist suspects have been 25-45 years of age, and middle eastern descent. She fit the profile! I was relieved when they x-rayed her walker. Tragedy averted
I can't accept thanks where it's not due, I just posted what I received in an email. It's a good article from the guys who were on that flight. But let's you and I both thank those heros who protect us every day.
__________________
2001 National Tradewinds 7370 300 Cat
2011 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sport
Officially fulltiming. The Journey Begins
Vegasdan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2011, 10:29 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
FDchief's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 563
Duly Noted. Thanks for bringing me back from my TSA nightmare.
__________________

Greg & Lynn (Full-Timing)
2011 Phaeton 42 QBH / Spartan Chassis
2003 Jeep GC Overland in Tow
FDchief is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2011, 08:57 AM   #9
edj
Senior Member
 
edj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 416
You can't fix STUPID.....
__________________
Ed J - Summer->Vestal, NY Winter->Melbourne, FL
1999 Dodge 2500 diesel, 6-spd manual
2007 HitchHiker Discover America 329RSB
edj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2011, 09:07 AM   #10
edj
Senior Member
 
edj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 416
Not True

I take back my comment in the previous post.... I was the stupid one for believing the first post without confirming it first. I entered the first sentence of the post in Google "As the Chalk Leader for my flight home from Afghanistan, I witnessed the following".

This thing has been all over the net. I found that the post was investigated at FactCheck.org and they found that it is NOT TRUE. It is just another creation made up by some govt hater.

__________________
Ed J - Summer->Vestal, NY Winter->Melbourne, FL
1999 Dodge 2500 diesel, 6-spd manual
2007 HitchHiker Discover America 329RSB
edj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2011, 09:10 AM   #11
Senior Member
 
Vegasdan's Avatar
 
National RV Owners Club
Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,873
Sure sounded right. Thanks for checking.
__________________
2001 National Tradewinds 7370 300 Cat
2011 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sport
Officially fulltiming. The Journey Begins
Vegasdan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2011, 09:26 AM   #12
RV Mutant #14
 
Wayne M's Avatar


 
Winnebago Owners Club
Texas Boomers Club
Freightliner Owners Club
iRV2 No Limits Club
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Texas
Posts: 12,202
I don't think it was a "Government hater." The rules that they have come up with are so ridiculous. A fingernail clipper without a file or blade, just the small end clipper, is not allowed. Bull crap! I'm definitely not a Government hater. But the powers that be need to realize that EVERYTHING is a weapon. ............ I just deleted everything that I was writing of what can be used as a weapon because I realized this is an open forum. I just don't want to give some scum sucking wanna-be ammunition. Just use your imagination. The TSA certainly has - to a point - but not far enough with the right things.

To all our troops, past and present, welcome home.
__________________
Wayne MSGT USMC (Ret) & Earlene (CinCHouse)
2015 Winnebago Tour 42QD
RVM14
It is what it is, and then it is what you make of it.
Wayne M is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2011, 09:45 AM   #13
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Indiana
Posts: 443
Thanks edj. When I read something like this, one of the first things that I do is to do some research. Like you, I found that it wasn't true.
The internet has opened up our lives to this sort of things. If we aren't careful, and check things out a little farther, we will all be paranoid to do anything outside of our own homes.
While I don't care for the TSA, I can see that it is doing some good. If it saves one life, it has been worth all of the inconvienences we have had to suffer.
Indiana Journey
__________________

__________________
indiana journey is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Good fireworks show on 4th of july while camping csp iRV2.com General Discussion 10 05-02-2010 08:58 PM
Read any good books ? FatDog Just Conversation 94 08-05-2009 07:17 AM
So Let's Talk About Good Sam ERS MakinSmoke Excel Owner's Forum 24 05-29-2008 04:20 AM
Workhorse Feel Good Temp Gage/Scangauge ronmc Workhorse and Chevrolet Chassis Motorhome Forum 2 12-15-2007 03:22 PM
More 2006 shakedown - good service experience Audrey & John Alpine Coach Owner's Forum 27 07-27-2005 04:45 PM

» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:43 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.