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Old 09-19-2016, 12:20 PM   #15
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My opinion is the worst computer system is better than the best human operator.�� Also consider that these new systems have redundent computers in case one fails.

I have not seen one, but a friend says they already have a system to make your current vehicle into one computer controlled. Now that I find to be scary.
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Old 09-19-2016, 04:21 PM   #16
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As a recently retired airline pilot from a major airline, we routinely practiced and occasionally performed auto-land landings when visibility was very low. In fact FAA rules state that when visibility is below a certain distance, an auto-land landing is required. However, we had set standard procedures that we followed when performing this maneuver and there were two pilots monitoring everything the autopilot was doing with the ability to disconnect it immediately if something went wrong.

Electronic systems fail even with levels of redundancy. I doubt drivers will be given the training to regain control of a failed autonomous vehicle. More likely even with training a driver with some experience with autonomous driving will have misplaced confidence in the system and will be reading or asleep.

But eventually the bugs will be worked out and it will be one of the greatest conveniences of our age. I'm sure there were reluctant elevator users when automation took over that field.
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Old 09-19-2016, 06:54 PM   #17
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The future will come here if we want it or not. Autonomous vehicles will be here eventually.

I suspect they will work better till they work worse. I make my living as a repair technician for the solar industry. Solar systems use almost no moving parts, and are pretty simple, really. Still, I use my electromechanical engineering skills most every day.

So, as a professional who repairs systems that are autonomous systems, I do not suffer from a lack of work to do.

I will eventually be in a car like this, or even a motor home. I will still keep an eye out, to hopefully see the fault before I am peanut butter ...
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Old 09-19-2016, 08:20 PM   #18
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"Be not the first to lay the old aside nor the last to take up the new." My did used to say this when I wanted the latest and greatest gadget. Presently, I am not convinced that autonomous vehicles are safe enough to let them decide my fate on the highway. Will Norton or McAfee or some other anti-virus/anti-hacking program protect me and my loved ones? Mind you, I'm not a naysayer, as I do believe the time will be forthcoming in the very near future, say 10-20 years, when self-driving vehicles will approach more general acceptance.
I agree! They are unsafe! Just ask that tesla driver who hit the semi truck. If he were alive he would tell you the human brain cannot be replaced behind the wheel.
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wow, can you imagine the lawyers of two Autonomous vehicles involved with a fatal accident?

what a boom for the legal profession... Autonomous vehicle vs driver, who was in error?

Autonomous vehicle caddy vs Autonomous vehicle yugo?
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Old 09-19-2016, 08:53 PM   #20
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I agree! They are unsafe! Just ask that tesla driver who hit the semi truck. If he were alive he would tell you the human brain cannot be replaced behind the wheel.
I knew this was coming. One person in one accident vs over 32,000 killed in 2014 by drivers. Will there be problems and deaths, yes. But nowhere near the number caused by people.
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Planes have had autopilot for decades. It is a tool that supplements pilots. Over many years, autopilots got better and better, and now can do most of the most complex functions.

Cars will also go more and more automated.

If there are dedicated lanes, then automated cars will most likely have far less fatalities. Except of course, those of people driven cars crossing the lanes, and like that. Happens across train tracks all the time.

And of course, there will be the inevitable break downs. Most will result in stoppages, and people will get out, and get hit.

Occasionally, there will be a run away. Rare, but will be talked about a lot.

I taught skydiving for a dozen years. During that time, I knew more skydivers who died in car accidents than skydiving accidents.

Ultimately, automated highways will result in far less fatalities per mile. But I have faith in the fact that some people will still find a way to do stupid and deadly things.

I don't know the exact stats, but we already have far less fatalities per mile driven than in decades past. Problem is, deaths per mile drop in 10s of % and miles driven go up in 100s of %.

I am curious. I would and will eventually try these cars. But I still like to drive, and will do so for some time yet...
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They are getting close now. My D/W has a 16 Acura MDX. On the interstate, once up to cruise speed with the cruise control on (and all the other stuff that goes with it)...it will stay in it's lane and if approaching a car from the rear, the cruise control will self disengage until a safe distance is achieved, then reengage. I watched it do all this with my hands in my lap, never touched a thing. If the cruise is not on, and the driver gets too close to the vehicle ahead, the car will activate the brakes...I didn't much like that when it happened earlier in the day.
That's not a self-driving car. Put your hands back on the wheel. Good grief.

We may have autonomous cars 100 years from now, but not in the next 30. Non-autonomous cars will be around for a long time negating autonomous cars.
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I agree! They are unsafe! Just ask that tesla driver who hit the semi truck. If he were alive he would tell you the human brain cannot be replaced behind the wheel.
The Tesla is not a true autonomous vehicle and it's wrong to put it into that same category. Even Musk will tell you the Tesla is not an autonomous vehicle.
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That's not a self-driving car. Put your hands back on the wheel. Good grief.

We may have autonomous cars 100 years from now, but not in the next 30. Non-autonomous cars will be around for a long time negating autonomous cars.
Not sure if you're saying 100% autonomous in 100 years, but I hate to tell you but they're coming in around 5 more years. Just go lookup what Uber is doing, it's their business goal to replace all drivers as that's 70% or more of their costs.
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I knew this was coming. One person in one accident vs over 32,000 killed in 2014 by drivers. Will there be problems and deaths, yes. But nowhere near the number caused by people.

While you are quoting numbers include the number of autonomous vehicles on the road today vrs regular. I guess im just paranoid to think that a car that drives into the side of a truck at full speed without braking is an unsafe situation.
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That's not a self-driving car. Put your hands back on the wheel. Good grief.

We may have autonomous cars 100 years from now, but not in the next 30. Non-autonomous cars will be around for a long time negating autonomous cars.
Never said it was "self driving." Just telling you what's coming. I sat there and watched it do it's thing.
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Not sure if you're saying 100% autonomous in 100 years, but I hate to tell you but they're coming in around 5 more years. Just go lookup what Uber is doing, it's their business goal to replace all drivers as that's 70% or more of their costs.
I can't remember which company, but just a few days ago one of them announced they plan on having one out in the next five years.

Even though I like the idea, I also understand that artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.😁
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Here's reality; we've had self-flying airplanes for decades. Today's pilots do the taxi and the first part of the takeoff, (don't know why) then it's autopilot on and hands off. Sure, the pilots have to check in with center as they travel across the nation, maybe set a new altitude or heading into the computer, but the flight controls are in the hands of that computer.


However, that computer fails all to frequently, or it is set incorrectly. In the air, we usually have time to realize "Hey, why are we still at 15,000 feet?" or "Why are we still heading 330?" And center is still looking at us, so they pimp us, "Teton, climb and maintain Flight Level 230, call level." Who's gonna pimp the autonomous car that there is a kindergarten on the nose and you really should stop when the system is set incorrectly or experiences a failure? Even remotely piloted vehicles (RPVs or drones) are watched by pilots as they fly.
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