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Old 07-12-2006, 01:52 AM   #57
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ajbjrvers:
To; RV ROADIE,

I see all the time spent on postings and it's all for naught.

First of all, every eligible voter has to be motivated to register to vote and than encouraged to support the candidate/s ,that they believe will do the best job as an elected official.

So many outspoken individuals, I have found are not even registered to vote and these people really have no right to complain that this or that isn't right.

Nothing will change until the masses are motivated to do something about the things that they percieve as wrong and that is to VOTE.

We are in a society which believes that others will do the work, investigating,etc., Time is not there.

Rather than espouse our own opinions, let's encourage folks to register and vote in every election and participate in local governments.. THIS IS WHERE IT ALL STARTS.

I spent 25 years in charge of a voting/polling place, and only 40% of only the voters bothered to vote resulting most often in the minorities candidate being elected.

Our political system needs changing, but it won't happen if the majority ignores it.

It's time to eliminate the party system, we're too old/big for in-fighting that only devides us.

Term limits for all elected officials.

8 years for President, 8 years for every other
office.

The Vice- President should be confirmed as the new President because in most cases he/she has had 8 years in training. Just elect the best candidate for the new VP.

This would eliminate the constant campaigning by the current President who would than have time to serve all citizens, not just those of one party or another.

Instead of engaging in on line minucia, let's get involved in voter registration drives, encourage the young people who we have un-motivated with our good now, not so good later actions that this country has a reord of doing. WHAT HAVE WE FINISHED TO A POSITIVE END IN THE PAST 25 OR SO YEARS??? We still have the same enemies, wearing different masks that we started with.

This all boils down to ; unless YOU positively start actions, not words, to change what os wrong, stop wasting everyone's time. WHY?? because if we keep doing what we've been doing there will be nothing left worth changing.

LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!

DO Something==

Thanks == Aime=== AJBJRVERS==== </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Old 07-12-2006, 08:26 AM   #58
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RV Roadie, you rock.I learned a little from yours and others post's. I try to stay away from these discussions(political),I let my vote express what I feel.Sometimes I get irked and let emotion take over rational thought,but stand behind what I have learned through my short life.I believe in this country,I have seen her take care of her own.
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Old 07-13-2006, 04:55 AM   #59
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RV Roadie wrote:
"In fact we are the most deadly force in the world. No one can stand against us."
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Didn't A. Hitler say something along those lines during some of his speaches?
Along with the phrase "The New World Order" as stated by Wm. Clinton?

I see us as following the path of ancient Rome. One of the mightiest powers in the ancient world for a thousand years.
They invaded countries that were posing a threat to them before they could attack Rome.

At that time the Cross Bow was considered the deadliest weapon on earth and people said it would destroy the world.

Now we have "The Bomb" in all it's terrible verieties.
Other countries can have it too if they go to their local terrorist supermarket.

Deutschland über alles [germany over all] was Hitlers cry as they proceeded to take over Europe.
Are we saying "America Over All" with our actions?
We took over America once from the civilation that lived here before.[Indians]

Humans are a nasty, waring breed.
What are the top stories on the nightly news or the daily paper? Kill Count.
"If it Bleeds it Leads" is the moto, because they know what we want to see.

As for Poloticians, since we see them all as crooks then why do we bother voting for new crooks, because the new crooks tell us that they are different then the others, but every time we vote them into office they proove to be crooks as well.
Does this tell you something about US?

All this talk of GOD. Our God is better then Their God. They say that Their God is better then our God.
When They die they go to heaven and get 72 Virgins, but when they get there they actually get on Virgin that is 72 years old.

How many people have read about all the different Middleast Crusades that were started and failed?

We are heading down a long, dark path and only time will tell if we make it to the end.
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Tom and Patty,
Thanks!
I consider all the folks here my friends, until proven otherwise, so avoid the personal and emotional. If proven otherwise, well, I just don't get down in the mud with em.

Wow! You read all that? Y'all must have carpal eyeball syndrome by now. Call me at BR549 and I'll send you a bottle of visine.

Most of the folks mean well. Just sometimes folks are used to being listened to and never questioned in real life, and get online with the world and step on it when dealing with a wider and broader set of backgrounds and experience.

I won't answer a post or start one unless I am willing to make the time as available to do due diligence.

Glad you enjoyed it.
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Aime,
I think that if the posts are for naught then why post?
I agree that action is required on the grassroots level, on voting and many other issues.

If you read my poem, that was the whole point of the next to last stanza.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Frankie:
RV Roadie, you rock.I learned a little from yours and others post's. I try to stay away from these discussions(political),I let my vote express what I feel.Sometimes I get irked and let emotion take over rational thought,but stand behind what I have learned through my short life.I believe in this country,I have seen her take care of her own. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey thanks Frankie! I do rock, being a 54 year old Boomer!

We do take of our own bud. And the protected still have no real concept of what is going on in reality beyond our borders.

It's funny to me, that most Americans would never stray into the seedy or "bad side of town," acknowledging that they could be hurt or killed on the wrong side of town.

But then, in world affairs, act like no one will ever kill them or hurt them because they are US citizens. Forgetting that our military backs that up. And if we bluff, then they succeed.

The old saw that God protects Babys, Old folks and fools really, here on the planet should better be written the military protects them.

In the past honorable warriors, including thos of Islam, did not violate that code.

Today they do.

Frankie, Non Carborundum Illegitimi Sunt!
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LWMUDDY,
I can answer your post best by using a paraphrase of Colin Powell's answer to a similarly phrased "loaded" question.

In all of our wars, we Americans have never demanded any of a conquered nations territory, except for a patch of land to bury our dead.

Hitler, the Romans etc. were on a world conquest binge, and didn't really care who got hurt.

We do not conquer. We defend our interests, and retaliate when attacked.

If you disagree, please tell me what country we attacked, ovecame, and kept as our colony?

If you want to save time the answer is none.

Unlike all the examples you quoted, who ruled their conquered lands as their own.

A similar situation developed when we were a colony, and the King decided we would be taxed with no representation. Our GNP was his.

We broke free.

We have never conquered countries and enslaved them as colonies, because of our constitution, and our American spirit.

For a fellow American to claim we do, in spite of all facts to the contrary, is surprising to me.
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You win, I loose.
"We do not conquer. We defend our interests, and retaliate when attacked".
Don't let the American Indians read this or they'll get ******.
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lwmuddy,
We used to have slaves here too, but, like your example, that is ancient history relatively speaking.

We don't do witch hunts, slavery, lynchings, my goodness we don't even allow an animal to be hurt in the making of a movie anymore!

Nor do we send cavalry on horseback to fight the Native Americans anymore, misnamed "Indians" when Columbus thought he'd sailed to India originally.

Simply put, we have a history, some of which we aren't as proud of as other parts.

The bad parts we fixed more than a century ago.

Some other countries and totalitarian leaders are going in the opposite direction.

Which was the original point of this thread.

We have learned and don't behave that way anymore. We are still learning as a nation.

If you want to make it a win/lose situation that is entirely your choice. You'll have to shadow box a win/lose as I was not, nor will be, a participant.

I never implied that, you did.

But I will say that I am apalled at how so many Americans take the side against our own country, and can only count the bad, and not the blessings. Nevermind our inherent ability and successful striving to make change and right wrongs as a democracy.

I think that perhaps the Native Americans today would grin at your statement, at least those who now run Casinos and oil wells of their own for their people.

It took awhile but they, and we, are getting there.

I also daresay that making them out to be victims today would insult their own pride at adapting to circumstances in the last 100 years, and beginning to use the system to get ahead, as it should be.

We've made mistakes in our past. I also state unequivocally, that our history is filled with less bloodshed and terror than most of the other older cultures who scoff at us, for protecting them as well.

It does have its share, but today, your examples are to put it fairly, irrelevant.

It would be the equivalent of complaining that we never made a superior buggy whip. Despite the fact that we don't use horse and wagons anymore except for show.

lwmuddy, I have one question for you. Do you actually believe that if we draw into our borders, become isolationist, and just ignore what happens in the rest of the world, that they would not eventually come to our shores, as they have done so many times before?

I use they to mean whoever the country is that wants us gone at any moment in history?

If I had the power to have every American spend a day as a tutu in Africa, a health care worker in Romania, a poor family of Bedoins in Egypt or Saudi, or a peasant in Western China or the boonies of India, perhaps we would honor our own honor and commitment, more uniformly.

Heck, I would love to see every American serve two years's mandatory military service peacetime as well as wartime. I think the training, not just the weapons, and the exposure would really change a lot of perspectives for the better.

But then that is not our way. Nor should it be. That is just the statement of a guy who did serve 27 years, and saw the changes as our young professionals matured.

Just like our country did. Yet we still see folks holding the youth of our country against us. Valid only if we had not matured and changed those behaviors. Which we did. I have a feeling many of those same folks would be really upset if their behaviors as a youth were held against them as an adult, barring felonies.

We take our quality of life for granted as much as a child does their parents when not in an abusive home.

My favorite quote from Will Rogers:
"It ain't what a man knows that gets him in trouble. It's what he thinks he knows, but just ain't so."

If you post to me directly, I'll give you the courtesy of an answer, best I can do.

I will not play the bad guy to you claiming I won to your losing, as you posted.

You will be solely responsible for what you post here. If it isn't well researched or thought through, then only you can be held responsible. Not me. I do not stand over you with a weapon and force you to write what you do, good or bad.

No offense intended, none taken by me. The rest is up to you.

That my friend is called a win/win.

Keep your blinds closed or open, as Americans we have that luxury.

Only because a group of professionals will be ever vigilant, and ready, when monsters try to come to our neighborhood.

If you believe that is hype, you've never held a comrade in your arms, or a fellow American from 9/11 as they breathed their last breath.

You haven't seen decapitations and murders and had to clean up the mess. From any war.

Or witnessed genocide for whatever reason as a peacekeeper.

Or even lived outside of our country to see how the real world operates.

If you think that is insulting because it is true, nothing could be further from the truth.

We live in America, and that is exactly what the folks who protect you do, and want. If our countrymen can exibit a naivete in the world today, we have done our job well.

But it would help if we acknowledged that the horrific images on our news today are not special effects or fiction.

I am glad I do not have to make the decisions of our highest leaders today.

I am proud they can be openly criticized in our free country.

Why? Because we aren't even close to perfect. We need opposition opinions regardless of our political leanings,

In short, we do need discussions like this thread, which I originally thought would cause problems for the forum.

You see, we all CAN contibute.

This thread is about being vigilant, whether left or right, immigrant or native born, regardless of race or religion, that vigilance is necessary.

I submit, in reality, that the only time our leaders will have surely failed is when you see foreign military occupying our country.

Please do not compare our occupation of Iraq as the same as if we stood by and let that happen here. Or compare it to our system.

We have not gassed opposition states or cities in our country. Saddam did.

We do not torture our civilians and kill their families for saying anything, even one sentence against the dictator, and send their chopped up body parts to their doorstep to teach them a lesson. Saddam did.

We do, to this day, allow SALT Treaty inspectors to inspect our faciltities World-wide to prove our compliance with that World-wide treaty. If we refused the world would be sure we were hiding proscribed weapons. As we suspected, with the rest of the world, when Saddam refused UN inspectors.

I respect your right to slam us or praise us, but prefer a rational middle ground for myself. See we aren't perfect, but we are trying.

So I hope we can discuss, instead of claiming bully or victim roles, or otherwise trying to be manipulative, and continue a dialog based on opinions as well as fact.

If not, to paraphrase a Val Kilmer line as Doc Holiday, then I guess, "I'm your daisy."

(Thanks to Marcia for helping me dot my i's and cross my t's.)
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To quote Val Kilmer as Doc Holiday..."I'm your huckleberry."

Just tryin' to help, RVRoadie!!!

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Marcia!
Thanks I stand corrected, I should have said paraphrase not quote. Indeed he did exactly say "I'm your Huckleberry."

I was trying to be subtle, guess I will explain it.

I was referring to this scene:
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Frank McLaury: [a mortally wounded McLaury is taking aim at Doc] I've got you... you *******!
Doc Holliday: [holds up arms] You're a daisy if you do!
[Morgan shoots McLaury]"

Thanks I'll edit quote to paraphrase. The meaning remains the same, still subtle, and most will miss it.

The quote I paraphrased is reflected at the bottom of this page, the last lines:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108358/quotes

Thanks for keeping me straight! Really!

One of the best benefits for honest brokers on the Internet is the feedback. You know, many folks pay a lot of money for good editing. In most forums there are lot of folks that keep us straight for free. Just because they want to help.

I ain't perfect, but sure appreciate good feedback.
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For those of you who are no longer participants in our process, and claim we are corrupt and no vote will make a difference, or who feel they have no influence over the course our nation takes, I do not blame you.

I will state my opinion.

Whoever convinced you that you should back out and not vote or participate because it does not make a difference, there lies your enemy.

Whether they were/are parents, politicians, preachers, friends or family, question their premises, and do the diligence our country demands.

As JFK said, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."

Sure disagree with me or anybody else!!!!!!

But do that from a basis in fact, and research.

The enemy is not the opposition regardless of your/their politics.

The enemy is within.

Those who convince us to sit back disenfranchised, so they can get the votes they want out and win.

And get you to stay home.

If getting off our duffs and voting is an imposition on our time, and we use rhetoric to justify our laziness, and some do, then I have to say I have no respect for that, as it is not an opinion, just a way to avoid our civic duties.

So question anybody that tells or convinces you that you are powerless to make change.

They are your enemy, not me or others that are involved in the process.

We can, and should disagree, and discuss instead of cuss, and work together to keep our country moving forward and getting better all the time.

I repeat a quote I used earlier in this thread.

"If you see a worthy man, endeavor to emulate him. If you see an unworthy man, look inside yourself."

Mahatma Ghandi.
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RVRoadie~

You have absolutely no idea what it means to me to have the one chance in a bazillion to use the Huckleberry line correctly in a conversation. DH has a short list of movies that he watches over and over again. No matter where the storyline is when he finds it on TV. Tombstone is one of those favorites. I can quote that movie back to front...and that's just from having to listen to it in the background, not actively watching it.

Quigley Down Under, Forest Gump, Starship Troopers...all things Jedi are among the others. Pulp Fiction and Get Shorty unless I pitch a hissy fit and make him change the channel.

Other than that...you're spot on and I'm reading.

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Glad you did Marcia!
Here's another.
"I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it." Quigley.
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