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Old 06-15-2007, 02:53 PM   #85
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some interesting real time stats on illegal immigration -- by the numbers.
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Old 06-15-2007, 03:08 PM   #86
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National borders erased for airlines in new plan

PREMEDITATED MERGER
National borders erased for airlines in new plan
Aero Mexico could get approval to fly Los Angeles-Toronto route

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A new plan being discussed among officials from the United States, Mexico and Canada essentially would erase national borders in North America for air carriers, perhaps giving Aero Mexico a pass to run a Los Angeles-Toronto route or Air Canada to compete on the New York-Paris connection, according to WND columnist Jerome Corsi.

He reported on a meeting held in Tucson, Ariz., involving U.S. Secretary of Transportation Mary Peters and her Mexican and Canadian counterparts.

She's already under fire, as WND has reported, for continuing work on a program that could start as early as July 15 to give Mexican truckers a virtual free pass to travel on United States roads.



The meeting in Tucson, called the North American Transportation Trilateral, made it clear U.S. air transportation facilities also are being reviewed in light of proposed traffic from foreign carriers that also are based in North America, Corsi's report noted.

Peters met with Mexico's Secretary of Commerce and Transportation Luis TΓ©llez and Canada's Minister of Transport, Infrastructure and Communications Lawrence Cannon to define under the Security and Prosperity Partnership a North American transportation system that will meet the continental needs of "free trade" agreements including NAFTA and the World Trade Organization, he reported.

Peters noted that existing agreements with Mexico and with Canada already work to lift restrictions on continental travel to provide for "free and open trans-border air travel."

But the next step, a North American Open Skies agreement, would virtually eliminate those national boundaries, as far as air carriers are concerned, Corsi reported.

The plan that was revealed shows over the next 10 years, "Air Canada could be competing with U.S. carriers on the New York-Paris route and Aero Mexico might be launching flights between Los Angeles and Toronto."

Canada's government also noted that it is committed to "the future of our shared transportation interests in an increasingly globalized world."

The vision for a North American transportation system suited for world trade, Corsi reported, was articulated in the May 2005 Council on Foreign Relations report entitled, "Building of a North American Community."

That is to "establish a seamless North American market for trade," including "open skies and open highways."


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The American public is ignorant not only about the dissolution of borders and sovereignty but that it is already a done deal.

Those responsible should be tried for treason.

What about security? What keeps a plane from Mexico from flying smack-dab into a skyscraper in the U.S.?
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Old 06-16-2007, 04:29 AM   #87
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Coming over to the "dark" side huh?

Here is more of what Pat. B refers to when he saids:

It is about globalism -- and about greed. And, as the Bible says, love of money is the root of all evil.

Picture this: North America has turned into a clone of the European Union (EU). After creating the North American Union (NAU), America's national sovereignty is out of the hands of Congress and the American people. Instead, "working groups" and regulatory bodies made up of unelected Americans, Mexicans and Canadians decide policies and interpret laws. Illegal immigrants have been renamed "trusted travelers" and can pass through anywhere within the three countries without question. Masked behind eminent domain, land containing millions of American homes and businesses has been confiscated by the government to build a "superhighway" to exports goods between the now meaningless borders of the nations.


Surprisingly, this is not the twilight zone. It is not a clip taken from a dramatic movie script. This scenario is the dream of our nation's globalists and is quickly becoming reality.


To see the roots of this, one needs only to look back to the March 2005 meeting of President Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox and then-Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin. They joined forces in Waco, Texas, announcing the creation of the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP), a plan to integrate the three countries and create the infrastructure for the NAU. The SPP is touted as a "trilateral effort to increase security and enhance prosperity among the United States, Canada and Mexico through greater cooperation and information sharing."


Many words fill the SPP's Web site, yet they do little to document what is actually taking place. What we do know is that the plan strives for "common security" and "common prosperity" in North America while details are being mapped out by "working groups." Unlike the anonymous "working groups" of the European Union which control legislation and regulations, these groups list the participants. Undisclosed are all the discussions.


Noting the more than 20 "working groups" established across the nations since the creation of the SPP, NAU and SPP expert analyst Dr. Jerome Corsi said at an October 2006 press conference, "There's hardly a major area of public policy where the Bush Administration has not, through the SPP ˜working groups,' rewritten our administrative law and regulations from being U.S. in nature to being North American in nature."


Concerned Women for America (CWA) President Wendy Wright said, "Flying under the radar, the SPP has quickly taken shape without most Americans' or even Congress' knowledge. Unlike the EU, which took decades to establish, the SPP is quickly establishing the infrastructure for the NAU, which will strip America of its sovereignty."


In May 2005, the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) released a 47-page document providing the framework to integrate the three nations by 2010. The document, called "Building a North American Community," claims that the three leaders at the March 2005 meeting "committed their governments" to this goal. It suggests creating a border pass, replacing the dollar with a common currency called the Amero and establishing common security perimeters.


March of 2006 marked another joint meeting in Cancun, Mexico, between Bush, Fox and new Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper celebrating the first anniversary of the SPP and outlining the continued work which "represents a broad and ambitious agenda."


Outspoken CNN newscaster Lou Dobbs said on his October 27, 2006, show that the combining of these three countries "without the authorization from the American people, without Congressional approval" is "straightforward an attack on national sovereignty outside of a war."


Also unbeknownst to most Americans is the proposed 10 lane, four football field-wide NAFTA Super Highway, the Texas portion of which is to begin construction next year. Waving the eminent domain flag as its defense, it will wipe out thousands of homes and businesses in its path. The Super Highway will begin in Mexico, make its way through Texas and Kansas and will end in Canada. Currently, Mexican trucks are limited to 20 miles within the U.S. border, but that will change once construction is done, leading them deep into the heart of America by establishing the first customs check in Kansas.

This will allow unregulated trucks and unidentified drivers to travel through America, increasing human and drug trafficking and elevating the threat of terrorists entering the country.



"With such pivotal decisions set to alter America as we know it, why isn't Congress involved? We need the public debate that our Constitution ensures on matters of this magnitude," concluded Wright.

Bidding Goodbye to America's National Sovereignty?



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hondo122:
Wow Joanie, this is starting to get scary, I find myself agreeing with you and Pat Bucannon. http://tinyurl.com/3yvchz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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On this web page, http://immigrationcounters.com/ which was posted by Jayco1, if you scroll down to the section towards the bottom on the left side of the page there is a section titled something about employers who hire illegals guess what you will find?

The National Association of RV Parks and Campgrounds.

Maybe we should find out who these people are and let them know that we won't be staying in any of their parks in the future.
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Good idea

Here is contact Information;

Contact ARVC
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Here is something else to consider;

Home-Invader Program?
Take a clue from Europe.

By Thomas Sowell

National Review

People who are pushing for a "guest worker" program show not the slightest interest in what has been happening under guest-worker programs in Europe. Facts are apparently irrelevant.

So is logic. Guests are people you invite to your home. Gate crashers are people who come without being invited. Home invaders are people who break in, despite doors that have been shut to keep them out.

If the discussion of immigration laws respected either logic or honesty, we would be talking about a program to legalize home invaders instead of a guest-worker program.

As for facts, guest workers from third-world countries have created centers of crime and violence in Europe, and some guest-worker communities have become breeding grounds for terrorists.

Just as crime and violence in American inner cities have led not only to "white flight" but also to a flight of the black, Hispanic, and Asian middle classes, so in Europe much of the native-born European population has fled from cities like Amsterdam, Rotterdam, and Brussels.

Joel Kotkin's classic book The City noted the "influx of immigrants" who were "recruited to Europe during the labor shortages of the 1950s and 1960s" who have become "an increasingly angry and sometimes violent element in what long had been remarkably peaceful urban areas."

Another classic book "” Our Culture: What's Left of It by Theodore Dalrymple "” found a similar pattern in France.

Long before the Muslim riots in Paris which shocked France and the world, Dalrymple pointed out how immigrants in France had become a major source of crime and violence, not only in Paris but in other parts of the country.

The housing projects immediately surrounding Paris have become concentrations of "several million" third-world immigrants "” a population filled with "the hatred it bears for the other, ˜official' society of France."

They are not appeased by "the people who carelessly toss them the crumbs of Western prosperity." What they want is what most people want "” respect "” and this cannot be given to them, least of all by the French welfare state.

In order to feel self-respect, the young especially "needed to see themselves as warriors in a civil war, not mere ne'er-do-wells and criminals."

This anti-social vision has been supported and even celebrated by many intellectuals, much as both black and white intellectuals have celebrated the senseless brutality and cheap vulgarity of rap music in America.

What may be especially relevant to the situation in the United States is that the immigrant parents and grandparents of the violent youths came to France with a very different view.

They were glad to be in France, which for most was a big improvement over where they came from. "They were better Frenchmen than either their children or grandchildren," Dalrymple noted.

They would never have booed the French national anthem at a public event, as the later generations did "” and as the American national anthem has been booed in Los Angeles.

The later generations were not born in the third-world countries from which their parents and grandparents escaped. They were born in France, and resented not having the same prosperity as other Frenchmen.

Here again, the media and the intelligentsia in France, as in the United States, tend to turn differences in achievement "” "gaps," "disparities" "” into social injustices rather than reflections of differences in the things that create achievement.

One of the things that make many people such passionate advocates of amnesty for illegal immigrants from Mexico is that so many Mexican immigrants are hard-working, decent family people.

That was also true of many third-world "guest workers" in Europe, who were glad to be there, but whose children and grandchildren have developed very different and very poisonous attitudes "” with the help of activists, demagogues, and the media.

Today's illegal immigrants are too often analogized to early 20th-century immigrants from Europe. But their situation is far more similar to that of contemporary "guest workers" in Europe.



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by skipsor:
On this web page, http://immigrationcounters.com/ which was posted by Jayco1, if you scroll down to the section towards the bottom on the left side of the page there is a section titled something about employers who hire illegals guess what you will find?

The National Association of RV Parks and Campgrounds.

Maybe we should find out who these people are and let them know that we won't be staying in any of their parks in the future. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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"It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men."
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There are so many so called facts about this issue that in reality are nothing more than political BS. It's really not worth to debate it on here.

However, for those of you who might have been watching last nights network news. Did you see the story about the huge toll road private investors are building from Mexico to Houston and Dallas. So that goods can easily be moved from Mexico into the US? http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/...tem_preped.htm


Think outside the Bun for a moment. If we deport everyone who is willing to do manual labor our farms, and many other business will be forced into bankruptcy. I know there is child labor but I think we all know deep down that will never work. We'll be getting all of our food and many other products from Mexico. If that is true then the private builders this road are seeing the future as you do and responding in time to profit from it.

If all of this happens it will have some positive benefits. The Mexican economy will flourish, and there will be no need for anyone to immigrate to the US in order eat. On the upside for the US there will be no need for you to learn Spanish. However, you'll need room in your budget to pay a lot more for food and many other goods that we'll now depend on foreign sources to supply us. Then there is the huge impact on our economy when we loose 12 million people willing to work for food.

I think almost everyone in the US agrees there is an immigration problem and that we need a uniform enforceable immigration policy. I think almost everyone is upset that our law makers are completely grid locked on this and many other important issues. It's time to make some concessions on both sides and get some laws that can work. Our future is at stake.

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Oklahoma No Longer OK for Illegal Aliens

EVERY STATE should take personal responsibility and pass this type of reform. Contact your state legislators ASAP and tell them that you insist that this legislation be passed in your state.

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Oklahoma No Longer OK for Illegal Aliens

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Oklahoma's Governor Brad Henry has signed a sweeping immigration reform bill, House Bill 1804, that its sponsor believes will go a long way in dealing with the illegal alien problem in the state.

House Bill 1804 was passed by overwhelming majorities in both the House and Senate of the Oklahoma Legislature. The measure's sponsor, State Representative Randy Terrill, says the bill has four main topical areas: it deals with identity theft; it terminates public assistance benefits to illegals; it empowers state and local police to enforce federal immigration laws; and it punishes employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens.

Oklahoma is no longer "O.K." for illegal aliens, Terrill observes. "When you put everything together in context," he contends, "the bottom line is illegal aliens will not come here if there are no jobs waiting for them, they will not stay here if there is no government subsidy, and they certainly won't stay here if they know that if they ever encounter our state and local law enforcement officers, they will be physically detained until they're deported. And that's exactly what House Bill 1804 does."

The Oklahoma legislator is pleased the bill he sponsored into law was signed by Governor Henry and believes it will go a long way to curb the illegal immigration problem in the state. "I would remind people that states are separate sovereigns in our federal system," Terrill points out. "Anyone who doesn't understand that needs to go back and take an American federal government class in college," he says.

As a result of that sovereignty, the Oklahoma lawmaker insists, "we have as much right -- in fact, I would argue, a responsibility -- to protect our taxpayers against that sort of egregious waste, fraud and abuse as the federal government should have a responsibility to protect that international border, but doesn't do that."

Terrill says as long as the federal government refuses to do its job of protecting the international borders of the United States, states like Oklahoma must take action to deal with the problem that is costing taxpayers in the state $200 million a year in public benefits, law enforcement costs, and other resources.


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Senote Phone System has Crashed! (Immigration Bill)

06-28-2007 09:30 AM (CT)

Just now on C-SPAN2, Senator Jeff Sessions (R-AL) just said that the phones have been shut down, due to overwhelming calls on the immigration bill. The phone system has crashed!

You can watch the debate live right now on C-SPAN2. I think they're looking at a cloture vote around 10:50 this morning.
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Sessions kills immigration plan

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WASHINGTON -- After countless hours of arguing on the Senate floor, often armed with charts and reports to help make his case, Sen. Jeff Sessions won his fight Thursday to kill a plan to overhaul the nation's immigration law.
Conservative Republicans led by Sessions persuaded their colleagues to reject a bill that would have allowed millions of undocumented workers to apply for legal status and would have strengthened security along the Rio Grande.
"It simply didn't do the job," said the Mobile Republican.
The bill's sponsors needed 60 votes to move the bill to a final vote, but Thursday's vote was 46-53...


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