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Old 06-29-2007, 08:34 AM   #99
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Old 07-01-2007, 06:24 AM   #100
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A few years ago someone browsing through the 40th Anniversary Issue of Reader's Digest (dated Feb. 1962) came across this reprint from the Washington News and found it quite interesting in light of our current debates.

The quote reads:
Vice President Lyndon Johnson received the following message from a Native American Indian Chief on a reservation: "Be careful with your
immigration laws. We were careless with ours. "


Native American Observation


Recently an old Indian chief sat in his hut on the reservation, smoking a Ceremonial pipe and eyeing two U. S. Government officials sent by the President to interview him. "Chief Two Eagles" asked one official, "You have observed the white man for 90 years. You've seen his wars and his technological advances You've seen his progress, and the damage he's done." The Chief nodded in agreement. The official continued, "Considering all these events, in your opinion, where did the white man go wrong?"


The Chief stared at the government officials for over a minute and then calmly replied, "When white man found the land, Indians were running it.

No taxes, no debt, plenty buffalo, plenty beaver, women did all work, medicine man free, Indian man spent all day hunting and fishing, all night having sex." Then the chief leaned back and smiled. "Only white man dumb enough to think he could improve system like that."
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Old 07-06-2007, 04:39 AM   #101
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Illegal aliens announce "campaign of resistance"

Hours after the Senate voted against advancing the immigration reform project, the Mexican activist Elvira Arellano announced a campaign of resistance against the U.S
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Representatives from the Centro Sin Fronteras and the Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights also announced this morning they were prepared to take "economic actions" against corporations that support anti immigrant legislators and programming.
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Old 07-06-2007, 05:13 AM   #102
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As a long-time resident of California, I say to those prepared to take "economic actions" to "shoot your best shot". Perhaps then we will find out just how much, or really how little, impact they have. I'm really sick and tired of seeing the Mexican flag waved above our own. If illegal immigrants really had much sense they would wave our flag as the banner of freedom it really is!!!
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In my opinion our government is missing the perfect opportunity - when ever there is a rally or any organized event of illegal immigrants our government officials should also show up and round all of them up and escort them back where they belong with an invitation to come back to the wonderful USA, but to do it LEGALLY!
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Old 07-06-2007, 06:20 AM   #104
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maltruck8:
In my opinion our government is missing the perfect opportunity - when ever there is a rally or any organized event of illegal immigrants our government officials should also show up and round all of them up and escort them back where they belong with an invitation to come back to the wonderful USA, but to do it LEGALLY! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or they could simply do as the LA police department does and beat them with clubs!


Ok, I have a legit question here. Why is it that the U.S. does not have the best programmers in the world. Is it the American worth ethic or is it our schools or what.

How can India and Japan and Canada have so many programmers that a top notch company wants?

This is a news article that I found.

US software behemoth Microsoft Corp. said Thursday it would soon open an office in Canada, lamenting tough immigration rules in the United States that make it difficult to hire foreign staff.

"It is about recruiting the best and brightest, and right now, the majority are coming from overseas," Marc Seaman, a spokesman for the world's biggest software company, told The Globe and Mail newspaper.

"The United States has immigration quotas and some limitations for bringing in people from outside the country," he said. "That challenge is an opportunity for Canada, in the sense that this will bring the top software developers to Canada."

The development office, to be opened in Vancouver, a three-hour drive north from Microsoft's Redmond, Washington headquarters, will initially be staffed by some 300 recruits from around the world, the company said.

Eventually, it could grow to house as many as 1,000 employees.

Canada is currently the third-largest source of recruits for Microsoft outside the United States, after India and Japan.

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Old 07-06-2007, 06:36 AM   #105
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And just where did I suggest any kind of violence? Jim
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Then I will. Legal violence used to protect this country is not only justified but NECESSARY! We are a sovereign untity. A nation of laws.

And when illegals stage protests, arrest them. If they resist, use water cannon, rubber bullets or real lead to control. But I fear there is no one in authority with the gumption to so order.
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Old 07-06-2007, 07:32 AM   #107
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Hey there, Vegascpl, you really touched a nerve with me! No one said violence was OK! I've seen the kind of violence and ugliness spawned by mob mentality. One of my beloved sons is a police officer, and if ANYONE wants to hurt him or any other citizen, then I believe he has the obligation to "serve and protect". Have you ever hugged your kid while he was wearing a bullet-proof vest because some jerk didn't want him to go home alive to hug his kids?

Microsoft is just another company moving or adding operations to/in another country. There are various economic reasons corporations move, the key word being "economic". Sorry you feel that the citizens of this nation are just not good enough to work here.
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From some of the comments there seems to be this broad assumption that everyone involved in the LA demonstration were here illegally. There is now way of knowing if any of them were illegal. They could have all been US citizens. Most illegal are hesitant to get involved in anything that might expose them.

Here is what we do know. The demonstration took place in park used almost exclusively by Mexicans. It was a peaceful demonstration. Just in case you've forgotten here is a Fox news video of what happened:
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Ok I have a question for you

Why do you hi-jack threads with questions?

How does computer programmers have anything to do with illegals?

And if you want to talk about broad statements what about the LA police department does and beat them with clubs!

The entire LA police dept

And unless you were/are a LA policemen you have no idea what these officers see and experience on a DAILY BASIS

In some cases a beating is showing restrain on the part of a policeman as opposed to shooting the prep!

about <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Vegascpl:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maltruck8:
In my opinion our government is missing the perfect opportunity - when ever there is a rally or any organized event of illegal immigrants our government officials should also show up and round all of them up and escort them back where they belong with an invitation to come back to the wonderful USA, but to do it LEGALLY! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or they could simply do as the LA police department does and beat them with clubs!


Ok, I have a legit question here. Why is it that the U.S. does not have the best programmers in the world. Is it the American worth ethic or is it our schools or what.

How can India and Japan and Canada have so many programmers that a top notch company wants?

This is a news article that I found.

US software behemoth Microsoft Corp. said Thursday it would soon open an office in Canada, lamenting tough immigration rules in the United States that make it difficult to hire foreign staff.

"It is about recruiting the best and brightest, and right now, the majority are coming from overseas," Marc Seaman, a spokesman for the world's biggest software company, told The Globe and Mail newspaper.

"The United States has immigration quotas and some limitations for bringing in people from outside the country," he said. "That challenge is an opportunity for Canada, in the sense that this will bring the top software developers to Canada."

The development office, to be opened in Vancouver, a three-hour drive north from Microsoft's Redmond, Washington headquarters, will initially be staffed by some 300 recruits from around the world, the company said.

Eventually, it could grow to house as many as 1,000 employees.

Canada is currently the third-largest source of recruits for Microsoft outside the United States, after India and Japan.

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The reason why the story about computer programmers is relevant is that our immigration laws are so screwed up that even high tech people can't make it into the country legally. The results are that businesses have to relocate out of the US.

I was in Ohio recently and was amazed at the number of factories that have been moved out of the US, leaving many empty industrial buildings. I was amazed that so many towns and cities in the mid west and East look like they were falling apart. Pretty soon we'll produce nothing. There are far more people living in poverty in Middle America than I ever expected.

The same thing is going to happen when or if you export all the farm workers. I know you think teenagers are going to work all day in the fields but that is simply not realistic. Just like the Microsoft, farms will move across the border. We'll be importing our food from Mexico. That is the real reason they are building the toll road out of Mexico into Texas. If you really want this you really have to be prepared to pay the cost.

Education is another matter. Education in this country is on a slippery slope. Yesterday CNN had a headline about "No Child Left Behind" being called an empty slogan. Teaching our children to pass tests doesn't mean we are teaching them to think to use their brains. I also think that Science has no validity is contributing to our country being left behind the rest of the world. It might also be that we don't consider education to be a funding priority. Whatever the reason, the indisputable fact is that we are falling behind the rest of the world.

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Senate and House Re-introduce Massive Amnesty for Illegal Aliens Working in Agricultu

originally found at FR: http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1865788/posts
will this send us into the next Revolution?

Senate and House Re-introduce Massive Amnesty for Illegal Aliens Working in Agriculture


AgJOBS bills, which would provide amnesty to illegal alien farm workers, were re-introduced in the Senate and House. S. 237, S. 340, and H.R. 371 sponsored by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Rep. Howard Berman (D-Calif.) respectively would identify "vacant" agricultural jobs that could be filled by as many as 1.5 million illegal aliens and new foreigners over five years.


Under the provisions of these bills, illegal alien farm workers would be able to obtain a "blue card" granting temporary legal status for themselves and their families if they could show they have worked in the U.S. at least 863 hours or 150 work days (5.75 hours constituting a work day) during the preceding two years. Subsequently, to apply for legal residency, they must demonstrate that they have worked in agriculture here: (1) 100 work days per year each of the first five years following enactment; (2) 150 work days per year each of the first three years following enactment; or (3) over the course of the first four years after enactment, 150 work days per year for three of those years and 100 work days for the other.

The Senate passed AgJOBS legislation as part of its "comprehensive" immigration bill (S. 2611) last May, but the measure died when the House refused to take it up before adjournment. In addition, both the House and Senate saw stand-alone AgJOBS measures (H.R. 884 and S. 359) introduced during the 109th Congress.

Widely touted as a "guest worker" proposal, AgJOBS is an amnesty that would reward people who have violated U.S. immigration laws, and it would invite past violators to return to and encourage new illegal aliens to enter the United States. "AgJOBS is unpopular with voters and costly to taxpayers; it will encourage illegal immigration, invite fraud, and overwhelm adjudicators without providing a stable, legal agriculture workforce," said Roy Beck, executive director of NumbersUSA.

Amnesty for estimated 3 million
Of the 1.2 million illegal aliens currently working in agriculture, an estimated 860,000 plus their spouses and children could qualify for this amnesty, so the total could reach three million or more.

Past amnesty for agricultural workers failed

The 1986 Special Agriculuture Worker (SAW) amnesty showed that when illegal aliens working in agriculture are given green cards, they leave agriculture for other higher-paying occupations. And any form of amnesty entices hundreds of thousands of new illegal aliens, some of whom will work in agriculture, to enter thus continuing to depress wages in all fields including agriculture.

Bill would doom agricultural workers to poverty
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[sponsored by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Rep. Howard Berman (D-Calif.)

Gee what a surprise! NOT!!!!

Good catch!

Your ok Jayco1, even if you are a "Freeper" LOL



QUOTE]Originally posted by Jayco1:
Senate and House Re-introduce Massive Amnesty for Illegal Aliens Working in Agricultu

originally found at FR: http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1865788/posts
will this send us into the next Revolution?

Senate and House Re-introduce Massive Amnesty for Illegal Aliens Working in Agriculture


AgJOBS bills, which would provide amnesty to illegal alien farm workers, were re-introduced in the Senate and House. S. 237, S. 340, and H.R. 371 sponsored by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Rep. Howard Berman (D-Calif.) respectively would identify "vacant" agricultural jobs that could be filled by as many as 1.5 million illegal aliens and new foreigners over five years.


Under the provisions of these bills, illegal alien farm workers would be able to obtain a "blue card" granting temporary legal status for themselves and their families if they could show they have worked in the U.S. at least 863 hours or 150 work days (5.75 hours constituting a work day) during the preceding two years. Subsequently, to apply for legal residency, they must demonstrate that they have worked in agriculture here: (1) 100 work days per year each of the first five years following enactment; (2) 150 work days per year each of the first three years following enactment; or (3) over the course of the first four years after enactment, 150 work days per year for three of those years and 100 work days for the other.

The Senate passed AgJOBS legislation as part of its "comprehensive" immigration bill (S. 2611) last May, but the measure died when the House refused to take it up before adjournment. In addition, both the House and Senate saw stand-alone AgJOBS measures (H.R. 884 and S. 359) introduced during the 109th Congress.

Widely touted as a "guest worker" proposal, AgJOBS is an amnesty that would reward people who have violated U.S. immigration laws, and it would invite past violators to return to and encourage new illegal aliens to enter the United States. "AgJOBS is unpopular with voters and costly to taxpayers; it will encourage illegal immigration, invite fraud, and overwhelm adjudicators without providing a stable, legal agriculture workforce," said Roy Beck, executive director of NumbersUSA.

Amnesty for estimated 3 million
Of the 1.2 million illegal aliens currently working in agriculture, an estimated 860,000 plus their spouses and children could qualify for this amnesty, so the total could reach three million or more.

Past amnesty for agricultural workers failed

The 1986 Special Agriculuture Worker (SAW) amnesty showed that when illegal aliens working in agriculture are given green cards, they leave agriculture for other higher-paying occupations. And any form of amnesty entices hundreds of thousands of new illegal aliens, some of whom will work in agriculture, to enter thus continuing to depress wages in all fields including agriculture.

Bill would doom agricultural workers to poverty[/QUOTE]
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