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Old 05-21-2007, 04:49 AM   #1
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Before we go down in flames we should at least voice our opinions.

For what it's worth. Before we go down in flames we should at least voice our opinions.

HERE IS WHERE YOU LOOK TO VOICE YOUR OPINION ON AMNESTY


FIND YOUR SENATORS AND CALL (DON'T EMAIL) THEM:

http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm

FIND YOUR CONGRESSMAN HERE AND CALL (DON'T EMAIL) HIM/HER:

http://www.house.gov/

If anyone accuses you of not having read the bill, let them know that no one has read the freaking bill; that it's being pushed through in a dishonest fashion, not allowing any time for people to read it.


Correct me if I'm wrong but they may be trying to ramrod this through on Monday..?
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Old 05-21-2007, 04:49 AM   #2
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Before we go down in flames we should at least voice our opinions.

For what it's worth. Before we go down in flames we should at least voice our opinions.

HERE IS WHERE YOU LOOK TO VOICE YOUR OPINION ON AMNESTY


FIND YOUR SENATORS AND CALL (DON'T EMAIL) THEM:

http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm

FIND YOUR CONGRESSMAN HERE AND CALL (DON'T EMAIL) HIM/HER:

http://www.house.gov/

If anyone accuses you of not having read the bill, let them know that no one has read the freaking bill; that it's being pushed through in a dishonest fashion, not allowing any time for people to read it.


Correct me if I'm wrong but they may be trying to ramrod this through on Monday..?
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Old 05-21-2007, 08:15 AM   #3
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Whomever is perceived as the one behind this is looking at 12 million new votes, and so is their party.
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Old 05-21-2007, 06:13 PM   #4
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I'm all for immigrants to want to come to this country. They must, however, go through the the proper channels first.

I have already written letters to my representatives.

I voiced this same identical opinion on another board and was immediately denounced as a "hater". Made me mad as ****!!!
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Old 05-22-2007, 02:25 AM   #5
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When you cannot debate the facts of your convictions you label those that oppose you as haters, etc.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gordon:
I'm all for immigrants to want to come to this country. They must, however, go through the the proper channels first.

I have already written letters to my representatives.

I voiced this same identical opinion on another board and was immediately denounced as a "hater". Made me mad as ****!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It makes me wonder how we can be a "nation of laws, not of men" when the law is blatantly ignored....

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Old 05-22-2007, 05:29 AM   #7
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It makes me wonder how we can be a "nation of laws, not of men" when the law is blatantly ignored.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It seems we have become a nation of "politics".
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Old 05-29-2007, 11:33 AM   #8
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All this bill will do is open a flood gate, The US has nothing in place to properly administer legal access to this country, amnesty for the current 12 million that are here is also disrespect for the ones that came here legally, and once they are legal every aunt, uncle and cousin will follow.
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Old 05-29-2007, 02:10 PM   #9
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I am very torn on the illegal issue. It is easy to see both sides of the amnesty issue.

I, personally, do not like the fact that there are so many, illegals in this country, and would have no problem with closing our borders. Other countries severely limit immigration and so could we. But it isn't that simple.

Since we spend most of our time in either Arizona or California, we are surrounded by a very large Hispanic population, most of whom are citizens, but many of whom are illegals. And many "legals" chose not to learn English (which is a whole other topic).

Then I look around and wonder what would happen to all the businesses that employ them, if they were not here to work. I would like to think that there are citizens standing in line to take their place, but I rather doubt that would happen. I would be happy to boycot businesses that employ illegals. But how can we tell who is legal and who is not? Every restaurant from fast food to five-star, employs Hispanics, many of whom speak no English. Are they all legal? Who knows! And every yard service has 4 or 5 Hispanics wandering around with power blowers. I'd be happy just to find one who understands enough English so I can tell him that I don't want the debris blown onto my patio! Are they all legal? I doubt it very much. Then let's look at all the farm workers in California.. where would our food production be without the illegals?

Sadly, our economy is very dependent on cheap illegal workers. The entire situation has been out of control for decades and can't be fixed without problems... no matter how it is handled.

Just my two-cents...
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JudayandJim, excellent post I don't think I could have said it any better.
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Thanks! I debated with myself as to whether to post or not... Didn't want to upset anyone, but living in the SW gives one a different view of the situation... good and bad.... Judy
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Route 66:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It makes me wonder how we can be a "nation of laws, not of men" when the law is blatantly ignored.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It seems we have become a nation of "politics". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not "POLITICS" but a Nation of Political Correctness.....

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Old 05-29-2007, 05:00 PM   #13
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Easy enough, if they don't speak english , shoot them. Problem solved very quickly.
BUT, i guess then I would be a hater, and deffinetly "politicaly incorrect" people get it in your heads, we will soon be at war in this country trying to keep our own heritage and culture, while the washington politicians continue getting re elected. The whole system stinks
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Old 05-29-2007, 07:21 PM   #14
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In 1986 3 million illegals got amnesty. The government still has not figured out how to handle that paperwork. Now throw another 12-20 million into the mix and things really spin out of control.

Could I see a show of hands of all those who think the govt. has figured this out already?

Then there is the small problem of who will pay for them. In California alone they cost the taxpayers around 9 Billion a year for schools, health care and welfare for all of their children who are "citizens" but don't speak English.

There was a representative from the Heritage Foundation on TV testifying before Congress recently about the cost of all of this and he put the price at, I believe I'm correct, $238 Trillion dollars. Wrap your heads around that without getting a headache. That includes over $1,000,000 per family over and above what meager amount they pay in taxes over a period of about 20-30 years.

And that's before the next floodgate opens.

1986, 3,000,000
2007, 12-20,000,000

You can probably quadruple that number again for the next amnesty when it come, as it surely will.

Most of these people are poor and uneducated and they are now, and will become in the future an even bigger drain on our resources. And it only gets worse.

Imagine, if you will, that I break into your home and demand that you feed, clothe, and educate me and also pay for my healthcare. Never mind that I just broke into YOUR home and I am demanding all of these things. The last time I looked it is a crime to break into someones home, probably a felony except in the case of breaking into this country which is only a misdemeanor.

OK, I've been leeching off of your family for several months so I invite the rest of my family, there's only four of them, to come and live with me in your home. Not a bad deal for me, is it?

How long would you be willing to put up with something like that? That is what is happening right now for those of you who are still wearing those rose colored glasses.

Either we stop it now or we go down in flames. Which way do you want it?

And just think, we haven't even started to talk about the gangbangers and other criminals who will get in the back door.
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