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Old 09-25-2005, 06:44 AM   #71
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As OPEC increases their output in order to satisfy the demand it was discovered that there was/is no way to refine the product.
We could have all the oil in the world but if we have no way to make it into diesel/gasoline it might as well be in the ground.

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Old 09-27-2005, 11:59 AM   #72
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With 4 kids, RVing is still cost effective for us. Between hotel, meals, airfar if needed I will still be ahead of the game.

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Old 09-27-2005, 02:28 PM   #73
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Nothing that we say or do will change what is in motion. We are many, but divided.
Business knows what we want and they know we will pay for it.
Who could have predicted people buying TV sets for $15000.00?.
They,various businesses,know that the American People will buy and buy right to the end.

Nobody is going to tell Americans that they can't driver their cars or what type of car to buy. Americans will do what Americans do and business knows how to trip our switch into buy mode.
What makes America so great?
It's our freedon to flip off the rest of the world and be FREE to do what we want. Even it it means our downfall.

The way to beat down the "Tree Huggers" and Marsh savers is to creat a problem that will allow us to drill in protected areas.

They got around Labor Unions didn't they?
How many CAPPED oil wells are there in the US.
At one time California had a fantastic rail and trolley system taking people everywhere.They were eliminated by a handfull of comapnies in order to sell more Tires,Oil, Busses and Cars.
This is documented in a film documentary you can see in san Francisco.

What big, powerfull corporations have not announced a large donation to the 2 hurricane diasters and the victoms? Oil companies.
Walmart and other chains lost a fortune in good and stores but they sent millions to help.

How did oil help out? It raised the prices.

There, I feel better now.
No more RV'ing. Sold it.
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Old 09-28-2005, 06:22 AM   #74
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DickNJo:
Fact 6, The US has approximately 5% of the world's population, and uses approximately 25% of the world's energy from all sources, to maintain our chosen lifestyle. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't forget our farmers also feed the world. Growing & processing food uses fuel and electricity. We are also a country that is settled sparsely. A substantial amount of our population does not live in cities. Gasoline only acounts for 17% of our energy costs (according to one of the referred websites in this thread). And yes we are wasteful. We spend alot of money (mostly financed) on big cars and really big houses. A 2000SF house is considered "very small" now. This is just my opinion. Hey, I think anyone who finances a car is an idiot and very wasteful. But then I have also known folks who would "finance" Christmas every year and would "finance" their vacations. Before anyone takes offense, it's just my opinion. Some folks think eating out is wasteful (afterall, you can cook perfectly good food at home... hopefully). Others think actually owning a gas/diesel sucking RV is wasteful! I recently read an interesting article in Mother Earth News. The writer of the article said that instead of installing large PV arrays on our houses we could save that same amount of energy that we generated simply by maxing out the insulation, using all compact flourescent bulbs, installing energy-effiecnt appliances and using energy conserving building methods. If you get your energy consumption down by 50% then you have equalled real-life PV array output. I do believe that we need to end our dependance on foreign fuels because we need to be more self-sufficient. I think more needs to be done at looking for sustainable/renewable fuels (like vegetable oils). We will need to look at many things not just one. We need to learn to grow what we need. We are one of the few countries that is blessed with abundant space, good climate and natural resources (usable water). Whether it is trees for paper and lumber or soybeans and corn for fuel oil, we have the technology and ability to produce. Rudolph Diesel designed his diesel engine for agrarian countries. He thought that those countries could and should be self-sufficient when it came to their food and fuels.

Check out the energystar.gov website. The appliance section is a real eye-opener. The technology is there to conserve energy. So many of the well-known appliance brands that are advertised as being so energy efficent really aren't.

Yes, this is "off" of the original topic, but that is what happens with "conversation".
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Yes It was a life that was and will never be again. Maybe like Europe. Very small RV's.

The rich will still be able to drive the buses, but what we've seen for the last twenty years is drawing to a close.

Nothing is forever.

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