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Old 01-19-2009, 01:00 PM   #29
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There is, I believe, an old axiom that a successful flight requires at least two of the following - altitude, airspeed and brains. It appears to me that this flight was light on the first two but heavy (thank goodness) on the third. A job well done, Captain (and crew as well)!

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Old 01-19-2009, 02:26 PM   #30
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TXiceman .... if a commercial jet airliner has a glide ratio of a 'brick with stubby wings' then there is something wrong with all the 'experts' i keep hearing on TV today saying that airliners typically have glide ratios inbetween 12:1 to 20:1,
to me that doesn't sound like a brick even with the best of wings ,

one guy talking even said that a airline coming down from say ... 30,000 feet might even have to put his flaps down some to slow down, and using that speed the plane glide ratio would be higher then a slower jet.

I would guess that a glide ratio of a plane at only 3000 feet, and not moving real quick yet, is at a glide-ratio disadvantage,
but is it 12:1 or is it a big brick ??

Someone even said the glide ratio for a 777 can approach 30:1 !?!?
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Old 01-19-2009, 03:09 PM   #31
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The space shuttle is a brick with wings. Jets are actually pretty decent. 20 to 1 or more sounds about right. The problem is, that's at about 300 knots, with a descent rate of several thousand feet per minute. Which doesn't do you any good when you're at 3000 feet after takeoff with a airspeed of about 180 knots.

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Old 01-19-2009, 04:36 PM   #32
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Fatdog, yes they will glide, but when you start comparing them to other winged aircraft like gliders and such, you need to have power in short order or you are in trouble.

The term like a brick with stubby wings is tongue in cheek.

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i get it, i get it now
since a couple people had said the brick thing, and since i am curious about this whole event but don't know much about planes, i was just wondering
sorry for my blond moment
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Old 01-21-2009, 06:29 AM   #34
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Watching some news scrolls on TV this morning and "Imus" mentioning this news-- WOW!!

Hope and pray it's not true that the crew (pilots) AIMED at the Geese. If the CVR (cockpit Voice Recorder) records they did---- OUCH!!!

As an old retired pilot, I've had my share of bird strikes in 52 years of flying but never have I aimed at a bird or a thunderstorm--

I hope and pray it's not true--
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from what I've heard on TV, along with the pilots extensive military and commercial flying experience he is also an experienced glider pilot. Understanding there is a huge difference between a glider and a commercial jet without power, maybe that helped a bit?
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For those who are interested there is good info here as well as pics and a video of the landing.

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Just released by FAA

Audio recording of doomed flight.
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