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Old-Biscuit · 01-06-2018, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dexters

The person only had one lane to work with no area to pull 'WAY OVER'.

Where is WAY OVER on a road anyway.

Way Way BACK........
Braking/slowing WAY WAY DOWN
Put distance between ' the train wreck' LOTS iof it...as fast as one can safely do

BIG Pedal next to Go pedal........push it and SLOW Down

WAY WAY DOWN

Gordon Dewald · 01-07-2018, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dexters

The person in the video says the speed limit is 55 in that area.

Right you are. There is a reduced speed zone just south of Quartzite and north of Yuma. Last time through neither had a recent overlay.

dix39 · 01-07-2018, 10:27 AM

I think that is called "defensive driving", a good thing to know and practice. While I was working we had to attend a class on that every year.

IMHO it is good to not only know what is behind you, but what is ahead and to the sides. That information and how it is processed could save someones life.

Steve

Sweetbriar · 01-07-2018, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Old-Biscuit

,,,The IDIOT 'filming' should have just applied his brakes..slowing WAY down and let the other IDIOT get back in
The IDIOT 'filming' was as much at fault as the IDIOT attempting to pass in creating a bad situation,,,

Ah, no. It is the passing driver's responsibility to ensure the lane is clear or there is enough time and distant to to safety pass slower traffic without impeding on coming traffic. The driver being passed is only responsibile to maintain his lane position and speed. The passing driver should have back off and return to his original position and waiting for on coming traffic to clear. They chose not to and impeded the right of way and safety of two on coming drivers.

If the driver being passed is at fault for not slowing was it also the fault of the on coming traffic for not doing the same to allow more time for the Class A to complete the maneuver?

TonyMac · 01-07-2018, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Old-Biscuit

Ding...ding...ding

The IDIOT 'filming' should have just applied his brakes..slowing WAY down and let the other IDIOT get back in
The IDIOT 'filming' was as much at fault as the IDIOT attempting to pass in creating a bad situation

Fortunately the car coming from other direction was able to go onto shoulder and avoid head on collision

Both of the RVs were acting like IDIOTS

That's right, blame everyone but the primary offender. It's not the primary offender's fault, regardless of what you see.

Gordon Dewald · 01-07-2018, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweetbriar

Ah, no. It is the passing driver's responsibility to ensure the lane is clear or there is enough time and distant to to safety pass slower traffic without impeding on coming traffic. The driver being passed is only responsibile to maintain his lane position and speed. The passing driver should have back off and return to his original position and waiting for on coming traffic to clear. They chose not to and impeded the right of way and safety of two on coming drivers.

If the driver being passed is at fault for not slowing was it also the fault of the on coming traffic for not doing the same to allow more time for the Class A to complete the maneuver?

True - but would you die just to prove a point?

Unplanned Tourist · 01-07-2018, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Gordon Dewald

True - but would you die just to prove a point?

Good come-back!

Anyone ever drive in Asia? The rule of the road is "Might Is Right" If they are bigger than you, get out of the way.

If they are smaller than you, honk your horn if they don't get out of your way!!

We travelled Asia (on foot) for a few months and it was so much fun when I rented a motorcycle and could beep the horn at bicycles and pedestrians!!

Happy Glamping.

PJStough · 01-07-2018, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweetbriar

Ah, no. It is the passing driver's responsibility to ensure the lane is clear or there is enough time and distant to to safety pass slower traffic without impeding on coming traffic. The driver being passed is only responsibile to maintain his lane position and speed. The passing driver should have back off and return to his original position and waiting for on coming traffic to clear. They chose not to and impeded the right of way and safety of two on coming drivers.

If the driver being passed is at fault for not slowing was it also the fault of the on coming traffic for not doing the same to allow more time for the Class A to complete the maneuver?

Certainly, the driver of the motorhome who was passing was primarily at fault, however, I do believe most states have a law regarding "last chance to avoid an accident".

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedict...t+clear+chance

One of my favorite epitaphs is, "He was right, and his will was strong, but he is just as dead as if he had been wrong".

Cooperhawk · 01-07-2018, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Gordon Dewald

True - but would you die just to prove a point?

Even more surprising is "Would you cause someone else to die to prove your point." If so I want no part of you or your ilk.

PJStough · 01-07-2018, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cooperhawk

Even more surprising is "Would you cause someone else to die to prove your point." If so I want no part of you or your ilk.

FIRE UP · 01-07-2018, 04:14 PM

Wow,
A whole bunch of crap stated in this thread about things that have nothing to do with the original post. Marijuana? Drinking? California laws? Colorado laws? Oh and this is a good one, "It's the persons responsibility that's being passed, (people/coach taking the original video) to slow down and make room". Oh and another one, " it's the type of motor home that the person was driving that was at fault". Whaaaatt? The person being passed IS NOT THE IDIOT. There is absolutely nothing wrong passing anyone, anywhere, in anything, if the conditions warrant it.

Good judgement is a characteristic of a good driver. Well, the bonehead doing the passing apparently didn't and or doesn't have good judgement, at least at that time. What we don't know is, why he/she did what they did. Maybe, just maybe, they were headed to a hospital for some sort of emergency that may have just happened, a few miles back.

Now, that really doesn't necessitate the potential loss of life of fellow drivers by doing the stunts he/she did but, maybe emotions were running high due to whatever circumstances. I don't know, I wasn't in the coach with them/him/her.

I'm not justifying any of their actions, not at all. What they/he/she did was inexcusable. Absolutely NO ONE should drive like that, regardless of the reason. It just so happened that it was apparently a Canadian THIS TIME. As has been stated, not all Canadians are like that, to be sure. But, in any case it would surely be nice to see what, if any, actions by any LE were or could be taken against said driver.
Scott

dexters · 01-07-2018, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Gordon Dewald

True - but would you die just to prove a point?

The person recording the video

did slow down to 45mph
stated that he could not pull off the road into the sand

It did happen very fast and you are assuming many things in your assertion that he should have put on the brakes.

You do not allow for even being scared!. Look at the end of the second video. The driver was visibly shaken up.

dexters · 01-07-2018, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by FIRE UP

Wow,
A whole bunch of crap stated in this thread about things that have nothing to do with the original post. Marijuana? Drinking? California laws? Colorado laws? Oh and this is a good one, "It's the persons responsibility that's being passed, (people/coach taking the original video) to slow down and make room". Oh and another one, " it's the type of motor home that the person was driving that was at fault". Whaaaatt? The person being passed IS NOT THE IDIOT. There is absolutely nothing wrong passing anyone, anywhere, in anything, if the conditions warrant it.

Good judgement is a characteristic of a good driver. Well, the bonehead doing the passing apparently didn't and or doesn't have good judgement, at least at that time. What we don't know is, why he/she did what they did. Maybe, just maybe, they were headed to a hospital for some sort of emergency that may have just happened, a few miles back.

Now, that really doesn't necessitate the potential loss of life of fellow drivers by doing the stunts he/she did but, maybe emotions were running high due to whatever circumstances. I don't know, I wasn't in the coach with them/him/her.

I'm not justifying any of their actions, not at all. What they/he/she did was inexcusable. Absolutely NO ONE should drive like that, regardless of the reason. It just so happened that it was apparently a Canadian THIS TIME. As has been stated, not all Canadians are like that, to be sure. But, in any case it would surely be nice to see what, if any, actions by any LE were or could be taken against said driver.
Scott

There is a lot of 'not knowing', 'not saying' in your post.

What are your saying?

Gordon Dewald · 01-08-2018, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by dexters

The person recording the video

did slow down to 45mph
stated that he could not pull off the road into the sand

It did happen very fast and you are assuming many things in your assertion that he should have put on the brakes.

You do not allow for even being scared!. Look at the end of the second video. The driver was visibly shaken up.

You are right. He did slow down, very late in the game. The passing coach was 3/4 up, and the distance to the coach in front appeared to be insufficient to pull the passing rig in.

Something that should have come out of this is we "share" the road.

On the side of the driver being passed. The "passer" appeared so momentarily slow down. It would make the decision more difficult for the coach being passed whether to slow up or speed up so the "passer" could move back to the correct lane.

I have often wondered why people traveling in convoys group so close together, almost drafting? Especially on a two lane roadway. This is not limited to MH but cars as well. If you are not going to pass leave sufficient room for other vehicles to pass. When I learned to drive it was recommended you leave a vehicle space for every 10 mph.

It still comes down to the guy behind wanted to go faster. He made a bad decision to pass when he did. However being passed the driver could have noticed he was close to the vehicle ahead and slowed down to give the passing vehicle room to move in after the pass. Just saying!!

Fortunately no one was killed. A few years ago a car passed another vehicle in front of a group of motorcyclists on 95. This was on the California side, there were fatalities.

There are a number of threads on this forum dealing with speed and there has been many who state they travel fast because they want to get to their destination so they can spend more time relaxing. Go figure!