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Old 08-21-2011, 07:23 AM   #57
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My point is that in an "only battery" car if you are stuck in traffic you are using volts up to keep warm or cold and not for moving you along. So to get to your destination you might have to do without heat to get there before you are dead in the water.

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You are aware the Volt has an onboard gasoline-powered generator that kicks in when the batteries get low, right? It is not an "only battery" car, and as long as you have gas in the tank, you will not be "dead in the water."
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Yep, know that. I was refering to cars like the battery only LEAF and such.
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Well........I guess I am one of the dummies! I HAVE a total electric car. Yes, its range is 40 miles or less and only goes 35 miles per hour (legal on roads up to 45 mph). BUT, I live in the edge of a town of 50000 people and can go all over town and back on a charge. The ac and or heat do not appear to shorten the battery range much (has been over 100 for 81 days this calendar year), it is fun and comfortable to drive and uses no gasoline, plugs into my regular 110 outlet and we love it. NOW, i fully understand this is not a solution for a lot of folks but it works for us(it is less than 2 years old and has over 5000 miles on it) and you cqn park just about anywhere. NO, I would not want to be on the open highway with it (not even the new model out that runs 60 mph for over 100 miles) as I prefer a large vehicle if I might be in a crash. The point is, by buying the electric I am providing a little incentive to develop the next generation of electic cars and none of us know what that will bring, perhaps a great solution to the fossil fuel problems, perhaps not but it IS worth the research to find out. In our state, we will not approve new generating plants that are coal fired, we WILL approve plants that use natural gas, lets keep the money in the U.S. and not send it to the middle east. I have no dog in this hunt, I just think we need to understand the verdict is not in on electric cars. Of course, they are not the answer in their present form but will they evolve far enough and fast enough to become a viable alternative? We don't know, so stay tuned and see what happens. ALL just my opinon.
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Do you have one of those "Free" golf carts that is (some) road legal ? The biggest distributors were in FL and OK.

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You are aware the Volt has an onboard gasoline-powered generator that kicks in when the batteries get low, right? It is not an "only battery" car, and as long as you have gas in the tank, you will not be "dead in the water."

The gas powered engine requires premium fuel!
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There are other alternatives and each new development brings us closer to a true solution. Here's ONE option:

Kinetic Vehicles

I have my own vision; a flywheel connected to a generator. The flywheel develops speed as you drive and continues to spin when stopped at lights or stop signs. All upper surfaces are covered with solar cells and an on-board CNG or propane generator as a back-up. While this vehicle wouldn't be perpetual motion or "Over-Unity: as it's called, but I DO believe with our present technology we could be doing MUCH better than we are now!! Anyone ever heard of the Urba Diesel Centurion?

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It was built in 1981!!! Why are there not more vehicles made like this?!?!?
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Well........I guess I am one of the dummies! I HAVE a total electric car. Yes, its range is 40 miles or less and only goes 35 miles per hour (legal on roads up to 45 mph). BUT, I live in the edge of a town of 50000 people and can go all over town and back on a charge. The ac and or heat do not appear to shorten the battery range much (has been over 100 for 81 days this calendar year), it is fun and comfortable to drive and uses no gasoline, plugs into my regular 110 outlet and we love it. NOW, i fully understand this is not a solution for a lot of folks but it works for us(it is less than 2 years old and has over 5000 miles on it) and you cqn park just about anywhere. NO, I would not want to be on the open highway with it (not even the new model out that runs 60 mph for over 100 miles) as I prefer a large vehicle if I might be in a crash. The point is, by buying the electric I am providing a little incentive to develop the next generation of electic cars and none of us know what that will bring, perhaps a great solution to the fossil fuel problems, perhaps not but it IS worth the research to find out. In our state, we will not approve new generating plants that are coal fired, we WILL approve plants that use natural gas, lets keep the money in the U.S. and not send it to the middle east. I have no dog in this hunt, I just think we need to understand the verdict is not in on electric cars. Of course, they are not the answer in their present form but will they evolve far enough and fast enough to become a viable alternative? We don't know, so stay tuned and see what happens. ALL just my opinon.
Have you ever figured out how much it cost to recharge it?
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The gas powered engine requires premium fuel!
Yeah, but it's only a 9 gallon tank so it will only cost an extra $1.80 for a fill up.
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Well........I guess I am one of the dummies! I HAVE a total electric car. .
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Have you ever figured out how much it cost to recharge it?
In my mind, it's pretty clear that buying ANY all electric or even hybrid car today will involve some degree of sacrifice... either in cost, convenience, or both. However I don't think that is the motivation behind most of the current purchases is to immediately begin saving a lot of money. As Ann n Gene pointed out, if enough people begin to give them a try in environments where they can be successful the technology will continue to evolve and who knows where it will lead.

IMO we've got to begin doing something. Lot's of suggestions have been put forward and all probably deserve more attention than they are currently getting. Sure would be nice if we actually had an energy "strategy" on how we wanted our country to be powered in the decades to come.

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two niner, yes that is exactly what I have, a wheego, between the feds and the state of Oklahoma they sent me $18500 tax credits on my $21k car, would not have done it without the tax credits. I would rather try to help some private enterprise than give it to the government in taxes.

Mahon, no, I have not spent any time trying to figure that out. IT is minimal as it uses a 15 amp outlet and will recharge completely in about 4 hours but I have not even researched how many amps the charger draws. I really have it because of the tax breaks and that DOES give private enterprise some funds and incentive to expand the frontier on the development and use of electric vehicles.
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The first electric car was invented by a Scot somewhere between 1832 - 1839.
A rechargable car by a Frenchman in 1881.
First real car (by today's standards) in Iowa in the 1890's.
A fleet of electric cars (taxi's) operated in NYC in 1897

Source: Planet Green.com article Oct 20, 2010 titled "Who invented the electric car ?

If this is "one small step" ?????

Ann and Gene: I was going to do the same, but the websites I looked at said they were imported. They would give me a VIN even though the vehicle was still offshore.

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Kerry, my Wheego IS sold in china as a gasoline powered four capacity car. It is imported without the engine, interior or electronics which are installed in California and branded there as a Wheego. They now have a second model that will run over 60 mph for about 100 miles per charge.
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Seems to me that at some point in the (not too distant?) future there are going to be a whole lot of deceased batteries to be dealt with? Landfill, EPA will stop that. Re*process, how much energy does that take to accomplish? Storage, where? Environmental impact of (millions?) of batteries "lying around"? They stole GM from the original bondholders (check your facts before you yell) to give it to the unions (check again), who did not repay their loans (only a small portion repaid so far - check again) to build products that satisfy ecomaniacs and no one else. Otherwise I think it's a brilliant strategy.
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The point has been made that the electric car is in the "Beta Testing" stage at this point. Everyone who is driving one is taking part in "real world testing" of the design.

My guess is that it will be 15 - 20 more years before we can say it's a hit or a flop. The Stanley Steamer looked good on paper, but in the real world it had too many "cons" against it.

On the other hand, many people in the 1950's said that the new "Tubeless Tire" design was doomed to failure.

Speaking of beta testing, most of us are still doing that for Microsoft after 30 years.
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