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Old 09-03-2014, 01:14 PM   #1
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I am noticing a greater lack of civility on these forums lately. I know people are passionate about their positions but there have been some virtual "fist fights" lately.

I really wish folks would express their positions even maybe disagreeing with others without trying to belittle one another.

Sa-la-vie, I guess the net allows folks to say and do things they wouldn't in person because most everyone I have met in RV parks is quite civil.
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iRV2 is better, IMO, than others & the vast majority of our members are quite civil, helpful & friendly. But every forum has "problem members". Our Community Rules are quite specific on how to behave here & everyone that registers on iRV2 agreed to those rules in order to become a member.

We don't/won't accept bad behavoir & our members can help us maintain our values by reporting posts they feel are not in keeping with our standards/Mission Statement. Please don't hesitate to report out-of-line posts, or even PM a moderator or administrator for assistance (if we're online, our user names appear in BOLD in the Currently Active Users section). We're here to help make this the best RV-ing forum on the internet (although I feel we already are ).

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What Lori said. .
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I am noticing a greater lack of civility on these forums lately. I know people are passionate about their positions but there have been some virtual "fist fights" lately.

I really wish folks would express their positions even maybe disagreeing with others without trying to belittle one another.

Sa-la-vie, I guess the net allows folks to say and do things they wouldn't in person because most everyone I have met in RV parks is quite civil.

Is it because as we get older we get "grumpier" -lol

Has everyone seen the two movies with Jack Lemmon, Walter Matthau, Ann-Margret, and Sophia Loren ? They are classics.....mandatory to watch them both in my opinion !

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I left another RV forum due to the flaming and I agree this one is much better, but I think some from the other forum came here also.
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Having a conversation on line gives one a feeling that anything goes simply because there's no danger of getting popped in the nose if you say something that torks the other guy. Texting, IM'ing and all that stuff has taken the real interaction out of relationships that help maintain civility. If you bend someone's nose out of shape it's not like it's a big deal and they can get over it or not.

The wife and I have been RV'ing for over 20 years and so far we haven't found many rotten apples up close and personal, they mostly hide behind the anonymity of the computer screen. We're going out this weekend and just hibernate, no phone, no computer, just us and our puppies.
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Mama always said "If you can't say something nice, don't say nothing at all." I enjoy coming to the site and passing time reading all I can from all the people here. Some true RV Savants on this forum. Just read a Newmar slide thread and crazy how smart and knowledgable some people are. There are the few that hate just to hate. Having an issue with a brand or model because of issue you have is understandable. Just keep it professional and respectful.
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+1 on what Lori said. I'm a member of many forums and was an admin of a non-RV forum for two years. I've seen a lot. This forum is one of the MOST civil and friendly forums I've experienced.

One suggestion that I made in my forum that takes a lot of tension out of posts is to remove the word "you" when disagreeing with someone. The word "you" immediately makes your writing personal. If it's a positive comment, that's great. If it's a negative comment, it's perceived as an attack. For example...

Suppose you disagree with someones opinion. Here are some options:

"You're a moron!" - This is obviously a personal attack. 'Nuff said.

"You're wrong!" - A little better, but it will probably be perceived as an attack regardless of your intention.

"Your opinion is wrong!" - Now it's getting more indirect. It's still pretty aggressive, but it focuses on the person's opinion and not the person. Person is good; opinion is not.

"I disagree with your opinion." - Even better because it's not saying that the person is wrong, but just that you disagree. Now you can present your case.

"Thanks for the info. Interesting point. Here's another side to it..." - Completely removes the "you" from the equation. It's now two (or more) people recognizing the value of each other, but still maintaining the space to present their own facts and opinions.

In my opinion, the vast majority of posts in irv2 use the last two styles of posting. This makes it a nice place to hang out.

Thanks,

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p.s. I've been in some forums where many of the posts start with "You're an idiot". You might get some help and information, but it's NOT a nice place to hang out.
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I've noticed that the malcontents and "misbehavers" at the campgrounds that cause problems for the CG and the neighbors at the CG usually are at the CG 1) as non-RVing guests of RVers, 2) as a part of a larger group of friends that for this one and only time are concentrating of "celebrating" (aka drinking) than they are about enjoying the experience of the great outdoors, or 3) as a small group that are majorly involved in a different activity (fishing, a sports event, reunion, etc) and are at a CG rather than a more expensive hotel.

As stated by others, most everyone who enjoys camping in a tent, pop-up, trailer, 5er, Class C, or Class A seem to arrive at the CG ready to "mellow out" and quietly enjoy the weekend or the week. Most are annoyed, as we are, by the 3 groups of yeahwhos mentioned above.

I've camped in our tent, pop-up, 5er, and Class A and find all noticeably well managed CG to be a wonderful experience. Owners that are afraid to evict are part of the problem. The internet "trash talkers" are quickly weeded out on iRV2. Their (the trash talkers) ill mannered attitudes don't cut it on iRV2. Good job MODS!!!
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We started tent camping in the early 70's, graduated to a partially modified van in the early 90's, then moved to a Class A which was more than we wanted so moved down slightly to a Class C. I've never felt unsafe anywhere and can't say I've ever come across any uncivilized campers. The only place I was a little leery was tent camping in the middle of the woods in North Jersey and we had a mid-sized black bear for a neighbor.
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Ditto on what Lori and Cliff said...
...The staff appreciates member help finding offending posts

So just to help, below is a picture of which "button" is used to "Report" a post (using the OP as an example), if a member thinks the post needs staff attention.

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I am noticing a greater lack of civility on these forums lately. I know people are passionate about their positions but there have been some virtual "fist fights" lately.

I really wish folks would express their positions even maybe disagreeing with others without trying to belittle one another.

Sa-la-vie, I guess the net allows folks to say and do things they wouldn't in person because most everyone I have met in RV parks is quite civil.

I left another forum for that very reason. There were folks on there that were downright vicious! I have found that 98% of the people on IRV2 are very courteous and respectful of the feelings of others. Of course, there will always be those few that we could do without!

Another thing I have noticed about IRV2 is that the Moderators are always fair and respectful. I don't always agree with their decisions, but I realize they have a tough (and sometimes thankless) job of keeping us all in line. I have never see one of them get rude or nasty with a member. You sure don't find that everywhere!

It all comes back to the Golden Rule (my interpretation). "Treat others the way you want to be treated".

Good luck, happy trails, and God bless!
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+1 on what Lori said. I'm a member of many forums and was an admin of a non-RV forum for two years. I've seen a lot. This forum is one of the MOST civil and friendly forums I've experienced.

One suggestion that I made in my forum that takes a lot of tension out of posts is to remove the word "you" when disagreeing with someone. The word "you" immediately makes your writing personal. If it's a positive comment, that's great. If it's a negative comment, it's perceived as an attack. For example...

Suppose you disagree with someones opinion. Here are some options:

"You're a moron!" - This is obviously a personal attack. 'Nuff said.

"You're wrong!" - A little better, but it will probably be perceived as an attack regardless of your intention.

"Your opinion is wrong!" - Now it's getting more indirect. It's still pretty aggressive, but it focuses on the person's opinion and not the person. Person is good; opinion is not.

"I disagree with your opinion." - Even better because it's not saying that the person is wrong, but just that you disagree. Now you can present your case.

"Thanks for the info. Interesting point. Here's another side to it..." - Completely removes the "you" from the equation. It's now two (or more) people recognizing the value of each other, but still maintaining the space to present their own facts and opinions.

In my opinion, the vast majority of posts in irv2 use the last two styles of posting. This makes it a nice place to hang out.

Thanks,

Dan.

p.s. I've been in some forums where many of the posts start with "You're an idiot". You might get some help and information, but it's NOT a nice place to hang out.

Agree completely!
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