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Old 02-03-2019, 11:56 PM   #43
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big cities all suffer from the same problems as seattle. show me an american city of roughly 3.8 million that doesn’t. drug addiction, homelessness, violent crime, horrible traffic yep, seatown has it all. so does that big city you’re near. one big difference is in an hour i can be at the ocean or a snow capped mountain wilderness. my choice. maybe i’ll go salmon fishing or clam digging. maybe mountain biking or kayaking tomorrow. the northwest has so much to offer its no surprise so many come here for vacation, then end up moving here. just don’t hassle the orcas
traffic is screwed up mainly because of its geography. it doesn’t have the luxury of wide open land all around it to build looping freeways. its bordered to the east by a 26 mile long lake with 3 floating bridges across it, and to the west by puget sound with the nations largest fleet of ferry boats.
with 1,000 ppl a week moving here, it will only get worse :(
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big cities all suffer from the same problems as seattle. show me an american city of roughly 3.8 million that doesn’t. drug addiction, homelessness, violent crime, horrible traffic yep, seatown has it all. so does that big city you’re near. one big difference is in an hour i can be at the ocean or a snow capped mountain wilderness. my choice. maybe i’ll go salmon fishing or clam digging. maybe mountain biking or kayaking tomorrow. the northwest has so much to offer its no surprise so many come here for vacation, then end up moving here. just don’t hassle the orcas
traffic is screwed up mainly because of its geography. it doesn’t have the luxury of wide open land all around it to build looping freeways. its bordered to the east by a 26 mile long lake with 3 floating bridges across it, and to the west by puget sound with the nations largest fleet of ferry boats.
with 1,000 ppl a week moving here, it will only get worse :(

Dude - You're in Yuma


Seattle has the third highest UNADJUSTED homeless population, behind only NY and LA. And 3.5 million ppl? Seattle has just under 1 million. Your figure is the regional population which points out some interesting facts - Bellevue doesn't have the same problems as Seattle because they let the police do their job.



The OP, a visitor, complained about the same things the majority of residents are getting fed up over; the chronic drug use and it's sidekicks property crime and littered needles. Yes, every large city is going to have it's problems, but Seattle is unique in allowing it to fester while at the same time spending millions with no effect.
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Old 02-04-2019, 03:09 PM   #45
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Seattle has the third highest UNADJUSTED homeless population, behind only NY and LA. And 3.5 million ppl? Seattle has just under 1 million. Your figure is the regional population which points out some interesting facts - Bellevue doesn't have the same problems as Seattle because they let the police do their job.



The OP, a visitor, complained about the same things the majority of residents are getting fed up over; the chronic drug use and it's sidekicks property crime and littered needles. Yes, every large city is going to have it's problems, but Seattle is unique in allowing it to fester while at the same time spending millions with no effect.

This thread is already beyond the no politics policy and I'm surprised it's not been locked.


Seattle is probably no different than most cities with a significant income disparity and unaffordable cost of housing for all but the most affluent *workers*. Not everyone can work at Microsoft, etc.


That police don't arrest people who defecate in public is a question for the city commission, but the real issue is that addiction, by itself, is not a crime. Having a mental illness, by itself, is not a crime. Not having a house is not a crime. Combined, those create an unpleasant experience for the rest of us but until the underlying issues that result in asocial behaviors are adequately addressed, it will continue. Until the income and cost disparities are addressed, more and more hard working folks will get closer and closer to homelessness until that lost job or unexpected life crisis makes it so.


There are no easy answers to these problems, as much as we'd all like to find them... but simply locking folks up is not an answer because there is no change in the underlying causes. If you think incarceration for real criminals is a huge expense, wait for the tab of locking up thousands of folks who are marginalized.
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This thread is already beyond the no politics policy and I'm surprised it's not been locked.


And yet you continue politicizing it?


Enforcing the LAW should not be political. But I find it interesting how you gloss over the conduct that is criminal, defecating in public and all the property crime, but blame it on "income disparity". Yes, there is a huge income disparity between the bums and druggies that have set up a tent on every piece of open land or piece of grass, and everyone else trying to make an honest living.
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I wish I could find a link. One of the TV news stations did a segment on the "Homeless", One of the fellows they interviewed, had an RV parked near the space needle. He seemed quite proud to show off that he has a location & view that no amount of money could buy.



They all have tons of reasons why they won't apply for any of the tons of entry level jobs around. For many, its the lifestyle they enjoy. They are called Voluntary vagrant. While waiting on my wife, IO watched one sitting on the corner, begging. In less then an hour, 18 people gave him money. Even at $1 each, that is not bad for tax free, and no real labor involved.
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We have a lot of homeless here too - step one block or even a few steps off Main street and you'll find all the homeless.

Hypothetical (kinda): Tonight I sit at home in my nice house, with my RV parked beside my home, watching TV and reading iRV2 (this thread) on my PC and wonder, since I am working and not Medicare age and can't afford health insurance (Obama care) what if something happened tomorrow where I lose everything except my life - what would I do? Think a major, MAJOR hospitalization/ specialist episode expense that wipes out everything you have monetarily (hospital owns your home, RV, car, boat and.... your 401k)

I think I hear a bunch of people saying "my stuff is protected, nothing like this could happen to us" - that's great and this is a hypothetical situation, as I said above. There are a lot of people full timing living on SSA and Medicare for Healthcare. They may not be able to afford Plan B or D or a Supplemental Insurance to help.

If this happened to me I could maybe live with my daughters (1 of my daughters and family is living with my ex-wife) but for how long before I wore out my welcome (me, wife and dog).
Then what.... I have a vehicle but can't afford tags, insurance, guess I could live in it...
I think you guys get the drift....
Stuff happens and then you ARE one of THOSE people. Hopefully we won't be using drugs....

(I'm knocking on wood - the main cause of older people going bankrupt is a major health issue...so it could happen to any of us)
I guess then I need to make a decision where I want to be homeless....
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Dude - You're in Yuma


Seattle has the third highest UNADJUSTED homeless population, behind only NY and LA. And 3.5 million ppl? Seattle has just under 1 million. Your figure is the regional population which points out some interesting facts - Bellevue doesn't have the same problems as Seattle because they let the police do their job.



The OP, a visitor, complained about the same things the majority of residents are getting fed up over; the chronic drug use and it's sidekicks property crime and littered needles. Yes, every large city is going to have it's problems, but Seattle is unique in allowing it to fester while at the same time spending millions with no effect.
snowbirding it. next week a little further north.
population i spoke is for the metro area which affects the traffic, agree?
to suggest bellevue doesn’t have a homeless problem is inaccurate. so does your city, and mine. google is your friend
suggest a fix to the problems YOU are willing to $pay$ for because thats what it will take.
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This is an interesting discussion as we have family up in the area and the area is on our to visit list. I will need to get together with the family and have them help us find decent accommodations that are safe. Really appreciate this.
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And yet you continue politicizing it?


Enforcing the LAW should not be political. But I find it interesting how you gloss over the conduct that is criminal, defecating in public and all the property crime, but blame it on "income disparity". Yes, there is a huge income disparity between the bums and druggies that have set up a tent on every piece of open land or piece of grass, and everyone else trying to make an honest living.

Nothing in my post blamed individual politicians, a group of politicians or advocated for a political position, unlike at least a dozen other posts in the thread.


People who defecate in public are probably mentally ill or seriously addicted to drugs or alcohol. Until they receive treatment (that sticks), they are likely to repeat these offenses. Simply putting them in jail for 48 hours or whatever happens, is not effective as they will return to the offensive behavior and that there are plenty more to lock up, if that's the proposed solution.


This idea that a significant number homeless folks that create these public health and PR problems are doing this by choice is overstated; in my contacts with them I can't think of any who said "yeah, this was my childhood dream, to live in a tent on the sidewalk and poop in front of strangers." Usually it's "I'm doing the best I can with what I've got", much like the rest of us who have acquire or retained more, for whatever reasons.


Are there folks who take this up "wandering" as a lifestyle? Sure, but they're less likely to be the ones discarding hypodermic needles and using toilet al fresco as those latter folks tend to be addicts or ill...


Again, the vibe in this topic - that public poopers do it because the want to, like it, and have absolute control over their behavior is, in my experience, not accurate.


Parting thought - being a tourist means one does not exclusively see only what one wishes, or exclusively in the manner one wishes. Sometime the big picture isn't a pretty as the post card.
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Seattle has the third highest UNADJUSTED homeless population, behind only NY and LA. And 3.5 million ppl? Seattle has just under 1 million. Your figure is the regional population which points out some interesting facts - Bellevue doesn't have the same problems as Seattle because they let the police do their job.



The OP, a visitor, complained about the same things the majority of residents are getting fed up over; the chronic drug use and it's sidekicks property crime and littered needles. Yes, every large city is going to have it's problems, but Seattle is unique in allowing it to fester while at the same time spending millions with no effect.

There is a BIG difference between the Homeless and Street in Seattle, LA and NYC!
The homeless in Seattle and LA are aggressive, why because it is allowed, if there are laws they are not enforced.


The Homeless in NYC and other east coast cities seem to be less aggressive and even polite.


Those in the west ask aggressively for cash and food, if you refuse they get in your face.


Those in the east, know they can't be aggressive or are just more polite by nature.
I recall a Homeless gentleman in Chicago several years ago, DW had a leftover box from a great Tex-mex restaurant, some great pork tenderloin medallions. As we passed this person he spoke gently to my wife, if she was going to eat her leftovers. His politeness was so nice, DW handed him her left overs, he ate very well that evening.
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snowbirding it. next week a little further north.
population i spoke is for the metro area which affects the traffic, agree?
to suggest bellevue doesn’t have a homeless problem is inaccurate. so does your city, and mine. google is your friend
suggest a fix to the problems YOU are willing to $pay$ for because thats what it will take.

Sure, the region has a traffic problem, but Bellevue is definitely not Seattle, nor Everett or Tacoma. And FWIW, here's a pic from this summer right across the street from Seattle City Hall. Everett has a homeless problem as well, but EPD doesn't walk past this and ignore it.



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I was with my family in Seattle last year, saw all the filth and traffic and will never return. We do like camping north of Seattle but will drive around that cess-pool of a city.
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There is a BIG difference between the Homeless and Street in Seattle, LA and NYC!
The homeless in Seattle and LA are aggressive, why because it is allowed, if there are laws they are not enforced.


The Homeless in NYC and other east coast cities seem to be less aggressive and even polite.


Those in the west ask aggressively for cash and food, if you refuse they get in your face.


Those in the east, know they can't be aggressive or are just more polite by nature.
I recall a Homeless gentleman in Chicago several years ago, DW had a leftover box from a great Tex-mex restaurant, some great pork tenderloin medallions. As we passed this person he spoke gently to my wife, if she was going to eat her leftovers. His politeness was so nice, DW handed him her left overs, he ate very well that evening.


I think this is key. We will experience from others whatever behavior we are willing to tolerate.
I live and teach in a small city (population about 30k) on an interstate. We have a large portion of impoverished and homeless for a variety of reasons. One of our locals, in particular, was starting to become rather forceful in his “requests” for cash. He was starting to bang on car windows and attempt to open car doors at intersections. He did that to us once, and my husband slapped the windshield and yelled “stop!” [mod edit]

People in the area, even the mentally ill, know that aggressive pan-handling will not be tolerated, so we rarely see it.
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yep, I agree, it must be the air here on the west coast. if something is not done soon our wonderful nation is going to turn into the worlds largest refugee camp.
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