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Old 11-12-2013, 08:15 AM   #1
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Edmund Fitzgerald

It's been 38 years now. Yesterday was the day I think.


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What a great video, I have never seen that one. Also the song has always been one of my favorites! Thanks
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Gordon Lightfoot - The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald - YouTube

The song by Gordon Lightfoot

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The day I spent in the Navy recruiting office back in 1980, their canned music played that song all day long.....
I was beginning to think it might be an ill omen.
In 1983 during my frigate's Atlantic cruise, we were chasing an 'Ivan' (Russisn submarine) around some sea mounts. We ended up running into a Hurricane. When we were on our side once, I was sure we would end up like that doomed ore freighter. Somehow, the Good Lord righted us and we returned home. I have disliked that song ever since.
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thanks for sharing- have you ever been to the Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum.Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum | Edmund Fitzgerald | - Great Lakes Shipwreck Historical Society
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The day I spent in the Navy recruiting office back in 1980, their canned music played that song all day long.....
I was beginning to think it might be an ill omen.
In 1983 during my frigate's Atlantic cruise, we were chasing an 'Ivan' (Russisn submarine) around some sea mounts. We ended up running into a Hurricane. When we were on our side once, I was sure we would end up like that doomed ore freighter. Somehow, the Good Lord righted us and we returned home. I have disliked that song ever since.
That's quite the story. I like it. Got any more?
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thanks for sharing- have you ever been to the Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum.Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum | Edmund Fitzgerald | - Great Lakes Shipwreck Historical Society

No, But I would like to make it there someday.
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My wife was working for Guthry-Hubner shipping agents in Duluth the day it happened. They were not the agents for it though. She woke up to the news on the radio, said she just went numb.
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No, But I would like to make it there someday.

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That's quite the story. I like it. Got any more?

Let's just say when I was jostled awake that night in the Radar Room, and I noticed I was STANDING on the water tight door going into the office next door, I knew something was drastically wrong! When the ship began righting itself I did a quick "Fred Astaire" number, stepping from the bulkhead back to the floor! Scariest day of my life!
On this class of ship, at that angle, things should have been falling off (gun mount, radar antennas, mack (combined mast/stack structure) to reduce topweight. They did not. Some ships just aren't fated to die. My little ship was sold later to Turkey, serving their Navy well, and now resides as a display ship at the Turkish Incirlik Sea Museum.

A couple weeks ago, National Geographic had a program on about the theoretical draining of the Great Lakes. They had an amazing CGI video of the Edmund Fitzgerald laying on the bottom, in two major pieces - she broke in half. The aft section was inverted, the forward half sitting upright. Very eerie.
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I live near Rogers City, MI and there is a HUGE Limestone Quarry there. Ore carriers comin' and goin' all the time. I had and have friends and people I know sail on the lakers and when the Fitzgerald went down we all waited for the bad news of what other ships were lost. Our thinking was. If she went down the smaller boats don't stand a chance. As it turns out it probably was her large size that sent her to the bottom.
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In a musty old hall in Detroit they prayed, in the "Maritime Sailors' Cathedral." The church bell chimed 'til it rang twenty-nine times for each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald.

I was stationed at Selfridge ANGB up by Mt Clemens, MI and was downtown Detroit to go to an event at Cobo Hall with some friends. While walking along the area of the river walk we heard what we thought were church bells ringing on a Tuesday. They rang for a long time. What we didn't connect at the time was that this was from the Maritime Sailor's Cathedral and was the tolling of the bells for the Fitzgerald.
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The day I spent in the Navy recruiting office back in 1980, their canned music played that song all day long.....
I was beginning to think it might be an ill omen.
In 1983 during my frigate's Atlantic cruise, we were chasing an 'Ivan' (Russisn submarine) around some sea mounts. We ended up running into a Hurricane. When we were on our side once, I was sure we would end up like that doomed ore freighter. Somehow, the Good Lord righted us and we returned home. I have disliked that song ever since.
OMG Lee, that sounds scary as hell....glad you made it back
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I chalk it up to a combination of blind luck, the Good Lord helping us, and the robust construction of Navy ships.
Commercial ships are likely built to differing standards, depending on use and where they are licensed. I'd like to see the plans of the Edmund Fitzgerald, and see if she had any obvious weakesses. With her size and length, if her bow and stern were lifted on wavecrests, with her middle unsupported, she would likely have broached and broke in half. Seeing the wreckage makes me believe this may well have happened. Oil tankers run this risk too, with their extreme length.
I saw the US Coast Guard Cutter Bear once, after she'd been through a major tropical storm. As per standard procedure, she faced into the oncoming waves. She was engulfed by a huge wave, and the entire ship literally was underwater as she plowed through it! All stanchions and rails were wiped off the deck, her forward gun mount lost it's fibreglass cover (armoured guns are long gone), and her superstructure forward was actually set back several inches! I'll bet there were many soiled pants during that event!
But that little ship, comparable in size to my frigate, made it back.
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