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Old 06-26-2012, 02:14 PM   #43
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To set the record straight.... Trucks are allowed 80,000 lbs. on five axles, which works out like this. 12,000 on the steer axle, 34,000 on tandem drive axles (20,000 on a single drive axle) and 34,000 on tandem trailer axles.
There are exceptions such as trailer axles separated by 9' may carry 18,000 known as a 9' spread. Michigan does allow 161,000 on eleven axles which is still far below the 20,000 per axle mentioned......
Do trucks cause damage to the roads ? You can bet your bippy they do, but they also pay a heck of a lot more in taxes per mile then automobiles do. Can roads be built better to handle the truck traffic ? Yep, but for some reason the powers that be would rather cheap out on road construction, then continue to spend money repairing those roads... Go figure.
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Truckers do not begin to pay for the higher cost of building roads to support the weight of their rigs or the cost to tear down mountains and fill in valleys to minimize the grades they have to deal with or the cost to replace the surface frequently. This should not come as news to anyone who drives around with their eyes open and their brain engaged.

I can tell around any cement plant or logging operation or other commercial operation where the trucks pick up their load and carry a full weight on the axles and which side of the highway they are traveling on without a load and coming back to load up again. There are highways in California that were old sections of Hwy 101 (which runs from LA up to the Oregon border) that were left open for cars and RV's but avoided entirely by trucks that want to take the newer and straighter and flatter new freeway. These old sections go for decades without resurfacing while the new modern highway needs to be resurfaced each and every year.

That cost is carried by the taxpayers of the state and not the trucking industry. The railroads maintain their rail beds at their own expense and still deliver a ton of freight for a fraction of the cost of a diesel tractor and trailer rig and use less fuel and pollute less as well.

Unfortunately the same cannot be said for mass transit as in the USA the funding is cut year after year and railroad right of ways are abandoned. To go the 400 miles from Oakland, CA to Los Angeles takes 12 hours. The same 400 miles in China or Germany or France or Austria or Italy takes 2 hours and costs less. There are many areas where the governments can do a much better job than private industry if private industry lets them do their job. The big myth is that businesses are more efficient than the government and having worked with dozens of Fortune 100 companies I know that is very seldom the case.
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There are many areas where the governments can do a much better job than private industry if private industry lets them do their job. The big myth is that businesses are more efficient than the government and having worked with dozens of Fortune 100 companies I know that is very seldom the case.
Can you give an example where government did anything efficiently and at a lower cost than projected?

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Truckers do not begin to pay for the higher cost of building roads to support the weight of their rigs or the cost to tear down mountains and fill in valleys to minimize the grades they have to deal with or the cost to replace the surface frequently. This should not come as news to anyone who drives around with their eyes open and their brain engaged.

I can tell around any cement plant or logging operation or other commercial operation where the trucks pick up their load and carry a full weight on the axles and which side of the highway they are traveling on without a load and coming back to load up again. There are highways in California that were old sections of Hwy 101 (which runs from LA up to the Oregon border) that were left open for cars and RV's but avoided entirely by trucks that want to take the newer and straighter and flatter new freeway. These old sections go for decades without resurfacing while the new modern highway needs to be resurfaced each and every year.

That cost is carried by the taxpayers of the state and not the trucking industry. The railroads maintain their rail beds at their own expense and still deliver a ton of freight for a fraction of the cost of a diesel tractor and trailer rig and use less fuel and pollute less as well.

Unfortunately the same cannot be said for mass transit as in the USA the funding is cut year after year and railroad right of ways are abandoned. To go the 400 miles from Oakland, CA to Los Angeles takes 12 hours. The same 400 miles in China or Germany or France or Austria or Italy takes 2 hours and costs less. There are many areas where the governments can do a much better job than private industry if private industry lets them do their job. The big myth is that businesses are more efficient than the government and having worked with dozens of Fortune 100 companies I know that is very seldom the case.
If you think the 'government' is the answer to our problems, in any arena, I wish you would pass that smoke to me for a drag before you toss it!!!!!
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In most areas of the country, mass transit is a huge waste of money. It works only where there is a very dense population. We have hugely wasteful buses running nearly empty every day in our area and I have seen similar situations all over this country. Trains appear to be cost effect in the NE of the country and in very dense population area. We had a rapid transit rejected in Central Florida. It was a huge boondoggle. Three other states also rejected the DOT money. The problem is what do you do when you get to the other end. You have no way to get from the station to your final destination. Even the people of CA are rejecting the concept of high speed rail from LA to SF that will take twice as long and cost much more than airplanes.
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