Finally, a choice in 2008 Ron Paul

[Jayco1]

MR. Administrative please read I hope I have not broken any rules if so delete at once.

Finally, a choice in 2008 Ron Paul

The Last Word
Taken from Backwoods home magazine www.backwoodshome.com

Some of this information I tock for Backwoods Home magazine (I have been a subscription for many many years get your hands on one and see why) on page 89 of the March/April 2007 issue read how Mr. John Silveira puts it.

It's now a matter of record that Republicans in power for the past decade-plus, even while they were in control of both the White House and Congress, have outspent the Democrats who preceded them, and they passed more laws restricting individual rights. They forsook almost every conservative promise they made.

The future of American politics had come to look pretty grim to me. However, just when I've all but given up, there's a possibility – that come 2008, we'll have a real choice when we go to the polls. This won't be a fringe party candidate. This will be a player from one of the two major parties. It will once again be a Republican.

On january11, 2007, Ron Paul filed papers to create an exploratory committee that will allow him to raise money to make a run for the Republican presidential nomination. Who is Ron Paul? He's a nine- time Republican congressman from Texas. He's an M.D. a refreshing change form the stream of lawyers who fill the halls of Congress.

He seen right through the so-called "War on Terror"� and realized it's a war on individual Freedoms.

He is one of the few Congressmen to tell the people no one in Congress was allowed to read the PATRIOT ACT before it was voted on.

He has opposed the Central American Free Trade Agreement because it will increase the size of government.

He opposed to illegal immigration.

When he talks about limited government and more individual freedoms, he actually means it. And for you skeptics out there, unlike virtually any other candidate, he has a voting record that proves it.

If you would like more information about Ron Paul web page is www.house.gov/paul

[Jayco1]

MR. Administrative please read I hope I have not broken any rules if so delete at once.

Finally, a choice in 2008 Ron Paul

The Last Word
Taken from Backwoods home magazine www.backwoodshome.com

Some of this information I tock for Backwoods Home magazine (I have been a subscription for many many years get your hands on one and see why) on page 89 of the March/April 2007 issue read how Mr. John Silveira puts it.

It's now a matter of record that Republicans in power for the past decade-plus, even while they were in control of both the White House and Congress, have outspent the Democrats who preceded them, and they passed more laws restricting individual rights. They forsook almost every conservative promise they made.

The future of American politics had come to look pretty grim to me. However, just when I've all but given up, there's a possibility – that come 2008, we'll have a real choice when we go to the polls. This won't be a fringe party candidate. This will be a player from one of the two major parties. It will once again be a Republican.

On january11, 2007, Ron Paul filed papers to create an exploratory committee that will allow him to raise money to make a run for the Republican presidential nomination. Who is Ron Paul? He's a nine- time Republican congressman from Texas. He's an M.D. a refreshing change form the stream of lawyers who fill the halls of Congress.

He seen right through the so-called "War on Terror"� and realized it's a war on individual Freedoms.

He is one of the few Congressmen to tell the people no one in Congress was allowed to read the PATRIOT ACT before it was voted on.

He has opposed the Central American Free Trade Agreement because it will increase the size of government.

He opposed to illegal immigration.

When he talks about limited government and more individual freedoms, he actually means it. And for you skeptics out there, unlike virtually any other candidate, he has a voting record that proves it.

If you would like more information about Ron Paul web page is www.house.gov/paul

[apackof2]

So what is your handle on FreeRepublic?

Ron Paul ran for president on the Libertarian Party ticket in 1988

Since the Libertarians only garner about 2% in ANY election I would say Mr. Paul is a "born loser" although he is running as a Republican

And the reason that Libertarians can't win is because of the their morally vacant platform that 98% of Americans don't support

If your looking for a true conservatrive to support try Senator Brownback

http://www.t-worx.com/Default.aspx?a....com/brownback

You can check out Brownback on the issues here:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Sam_Brownback.htm

Personbally I would like to see a Brownback/Huckabee ticket

BTW, you can check out Ron Paul on the issues here
http://www.ontheissues.org/TX/Ron_Paul.htm



Ron Paul has<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jayco1:
MR. Administrative please read I hope I have not broken any rules if so delete at once.

Finally, a choice in 2008 Ron Paul

The Last Word
Taken from Backwoods home magazine www.backwoodshome.com

Some of this information I tock for Backwoods Home magazine (I have been a subscription for many many years get your hands on one and see why) on page 89 of the March/April 2007 issue read how Mr. John Silveira puts it.

It's now a matter of record that Republicans in power for the past decade-plus, even while they were in control of both the White House and Congress, have outspent the Democrats who preceded them, and they passed more laws restricting individual rights. They forsook almost every conservative promise they made.

The future of American politics had come to look pretty grim to me. However, just when I've all but given up, there's a possibility – that come 2008, we'll have a real choice when we go to the polls. This won't be a fringe party candidate. This will be a player from one of the two major parties. It will once again be a Republican.

On january11, 2007, Ron Paul filed papers to create an exploratory committee that will allow him to raise money to make a run for the Republican presidential nomination. Who is Ron Paul? He's a nine- time Republican congressman from Texas. He's an M.D. a refreshing change form the stream of lawyers who fill the halls of Congress.

He seen right through the so-called "War on Terror"� and realized it's a war on individual Freedoms.

He is one of the few Congressmen to tell the people no one in Congress was allowed to read the PATRIOT ACT before it was voted on.

He has opposed the Central American Free Trade Agreement because it will increase the size of government.

He opposed to illegal immigration.

When he talks about limited government and more individual freedoms, he actually means it. And for you skeptics out there, unlike virtually any other candidate, he has a voting record that proves it.

If you would like more information about Ron Paul web page is www.house.gov/paul </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Jayco1]

OK I could vote for Mr. Brownback.

I like his stand on the UN (but I would like for the uSA to just get out) Gun control, and tax's.

But I like Ron Paul and his voting record by far.

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Create of the States

"All of us need to be reminded that the Federal Government did not create the States; the States created the Federal Government."
Ronald Reagan

[apackof2]

Well I would LOVEto see a "For Rent" in front of the UN too

As far as Ron Paul's voting record

He was one of 13 Republicans who just Voted Against the Iraq Resolution
Basically, against the standing Republican president and against winning in Iraq and our troops mission there!

"Cut and Run" Ron Paul can take a flying leap!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jayco1:
OK I could vote for Mr. Brownback.

I like his stand on the UN (but I would like for the uSA to just get out) Gun control, and tax's.

But I like Ron Paul and his voting record by far.

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Create of the States

"All of us need to be reminded that the Federal Government did not create the States; the States created the Federal Government."
Ronald Reagan </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Stanbnv]

Ron Paul will have my vote. The repubs lost me to the Libertarian party in about 1990 with their pandering to the religous bunch,and their latest run at making the government larger makes the dems look positivly libertarian.

[apackof2]

The "religious bunch?"

Ya mean like this "religious bunch"

Governor Bradford, in writing of the Pilgrims` landing, describes their first act: "Being thus arrived in a good harbor and brought safe to land, they fell upon their knees and blessed the God of heaven...."

The New England Charter, signed by King James 1, confirmed the goal of the first settlers to be: "to advance the enlargement of Christian religion, to the glory of God Almighty."


James Madison:
"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not on the power of government...[but] upon the capacity of each and every one of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."

"Before any man can be considered as a member of Civil Society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe."

John Quincy Adams:

"The greatest glory of the American Revolution was this: It connected in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."

George Washington also said:

"Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."

"It is impossible to rightly govern . . . without God & the Bible."


Abraham Lincoln:

"Unless the great God who assisted [President Washington], shall be with me and aid me, I must fail. But if the same omniscient mind, and Almighty arm, that directed and protected him, shall guide and support me, I shall not fail ... Let us pray that the God of our fathers may not forsake us now."

Benjamin Franklin

"Whoever will introduce into public affairs the principles of Christianity will change the face of the world."

Noah Webster

"No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people."

Teddy Roosevelt:

"In this actual world, a churchless community, a community where men have abandoned and scoffed at, or ignored their religious needs, is a community on the rapid down-grade."





<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stanbnv:
Ron Paul will have my vote. The repubs lost me to the Libertarian party in about 1990 with their pandering to the religous bunch,and their latest run at making the government larger makes the dems look positivly libertarian. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[TXiceman]

Ladies and gentlemen, let's watch where you are going with this topic. It appears to be getting a bit borderline.

Ken

[Stanbnv]

"AMENDMENT I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." This is from the Constitution of the United States, I think it needs no further explanation.

[apackof2]

You misunderstand the purpose of the Amendment

The purpose is that the government will not establish or force a "state religion"

The government is not forcing a state religion in America. In other words, the government is not saying, "This is the State Religion and this is the religion you must practice"

However, this part of the Amendment makes it clear, "prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
that the Founding Fathers saw the necessity of free practice of religion.

In other words its freedom OF religion NOT freedom from religion

If you look historically at our English ancestor's history and why they came to America, freedom of religion was the number one reason, to escape religious persecution.

Christianity is NOT the state religion in America

However it IS a historical fact that America was pioneered, founded and the Framers of the Constitution incorporated Christian principals in establishing our Constitution, government and culture.

To deny this, is to deny historical FACT.



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stanbnv:
"AMENDMENT I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." This is from the Constitution of the United States, I think it needs no further explanation. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[apackof2]

No worries, I am done, I realize this is a RV Forum.

And I don't seem to be making much head way anyway, am I ?


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TXiceman:
Ladies and gentlemen, let's watch where you are going with this topic. It appears to be getting a bit borderline.

Ken </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Stanbnv]

I am quite familiar with the Constitution of the United States, as I was sworn to "Protect and defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemys, foreign and domestic" for over 30 years of my life, and from my American Constitutional History classes in college.

[Colesmeister]

There is no questioning that Christian principles led the founders of the country. Thank God for that. What some of us Christians object to is the pushing of Christianity on non-Christians. That is what is happening when there are teacher-led Christian prayers in public schools and Christian-like prayers at the start of public meetings. This can't be done, unless you allow all religions to offer up prayers.

Unconstitutional actions have been sanctioned by the Supreme Court down through the ages. In times past, racism and suppression of women's rights were allowed to continue with the blessings of the Supreme Court, until finally, an enlightened group of people on the bench came to their senses and said, "Hey, this is wrong. This is against the Constitution." So, even though our money says, "In God we Trust" and public meetings very often begin with a prayer, it doesn't mean it's constitutional. When the Court ruled that segregation was unconstitutional, there was moaning and gnashing of teeth, just as there is now with the prayer in school issue. It will all pass and we'll all calm down and come to our senses and realize that religion in government is not a good thing. An elected body that follows the good in their religion in their own life, whether it be Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc., that's what we need. A person so imbued will carried that good over into their decisions that affect us all.

[Stanbnv]

Amen to what Colemeister said.