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Old 11-16-2011, 03:41 PM   #29
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I am discussing this, and the EPA is the reason for requiring a higher grade of feed stock to make diesel fuel that is more expensive.


Its not blame, its reality. Its also a reality that the EPA emissions required on 2010+ diesel engines require DPF filters and after treatment. That requirement added a few thousand to the price of the engine, and increases the operating cost of a diesel engine. Just saying....
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It's everywhere. The speculators are getting ready for the winter home heating season so the prices will continue to raise or remain steady unless we happen to have a very mild Winter and even then we will not likely see any relief until Spring (if we still have an functioning economy at that time).
Hmmm....I'm currently in Belgium and Diesel is .20 Euro less per litre than Petrol....

If the speculators were in a conspiracy, wouldn't it be universal?
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Old 11-16-2011, 04:30 PM   #31
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Hmmm....I'm currently in Belgium and Diesel is .20 Euro less per litre than Petrol....

If the speculators were in a conspiracy, wouldn't it be universal?
What you doing there.... Hope there is some fun involved... D
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Old 11-16-2011, 04:34 PM   #32
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I am discussing this, and the EPA is the reason for requiring a higher grade of feed stock to make diesel fuel that is more expensive.


Its not blame, its reality. Its also a reality that the EPA emissions required on 2010+ diesel engines require DPF filters and after treatment. That requirement added a few thousand to the price of the engine, and increases the operating cost of a diesel engine. Just saying....
Sorry... I only mentioned it because of new rule enforcement..
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Fill up soon. Oil has been on the rise the last few weeks. Here in NE Ohio gas is $3.19....but oil went over $100 / barrel today, so we're going to see prices go up...

The conspiracy I have is that the government is telling the oil & refinery companies to hold the wholesale prices down because with $100+ oil we should really be nearing $4 a gallon for gas. If it did spike now, just at the start of the X-mas shopping season, consumers would rethink their budget for the holidays and for sure cut back. I ran out a few minutes ago and cashed in my "free" gas I earned from our local grocery store rewards program. Got 30 gallons of "free" gas.... life is good....

Diesel has held steady at the $3.85 to $3.89 range the last few months.
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Old 11-16-2011, 07:07 PM   #36
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I'v often wondered why diesel prices are higher than gasoline. At one time this was not the case. Diesel was cheaper because it had a simpler refining process (came out of the lower section of the cracking tower... Or so I'm told).

So why is diesel higher? Well, it all about supply and demand and the fact that diesel is more of a commercial fuel and gasoline is more of a consumer fuel. If the price of gasoline goes up, consumers can and will just stay at home more. If the price of diesel goes up, well the fleet owner is not going to shut down his delivery business, he'll just keep buying diesel and pass that increased cost along to the consumers. So in summary, the reason diesel is higher, is because fleet owners have no choice but to pay it.

That's the way I see it. That and a buck might buy you a cup of coffee!

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why complain. I'm going anyway. $3 or $6.

It's like a Plane. Fuel is about the cheapest thing you can put in it.
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Diesel is 80 cents higher than 87 octane gas in Indiana. Diesel $4.29.
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One of the things I do that helps is watch the oil market, and watch the pump prices on an almost daily basis. I have a 91 gallon aux tank in my truck, and 55 gallon drum in the garage. When I see the price of diesel going up, I can buy enough to save 20-30 bucks. The fuel I pumped into the MH a few days ago cost me 3.39. I have enough on hand to last me a couple months, and the most expensive fuel I have on hand cost me 3.59 The nice thing about my setup is I buy fuel when I want to, not when I need to.
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They always raise it right before a holiday.
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Shouldn't be happening at all. I lived in Alaska for 12 years from 1990 to 2002 and they have been trying to open ANWAR even prior to 1990 with no luck...Can't go political but that is the problem.
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