Go Back   iRV2 Forums > iRV2.com COMMUNITY FORUMS > Just Conversation
Click Here to Login
Join iRV2 Today

Mission Statement: Supporting thoughtful exchange of knowledge, values and experience among RV enthusiasts.
Closed Thread
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on iRV2
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 06-03-2009, 09:19 PM   #15
Senior Member
 
Ann n Gene's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Stillwater, Ok
Posts: 3,506
Guess I did not know that the Unions had all the power, I was under the apparently false impression that management was responsible not to agree to negotiations or an agreement that would not allow for the long term survival and prospering of the company. It takes two to consumate a bargaining agreement so it is really not genuine to place all the blame on the unions, management HAS to share this blame. While I agree wholeheartedly that labor concessions have gone way overboard in proportion to the rest of society, upper management compensation is just as obscene. The more the rank and file get, the easier it is for management to get greatly inflated compensation packages. Does the idea of the fox guading the henhouse ring a bell? It is really easy to place all the blame on unions, it just is not factual and does not hold water in a truly objective inspection of the problem. There is plenty of blame to go around. All just my opinion, as I understand very well, I just think we have way bigger problems in this country than blaming everything on unions OR one poloitical party, remember the other party was in power when the first GM bailout was made. Politicians, (most all of them in my opinion) have forgotten they are there for the good of the country and to put country above party and getting reelected. We need fundamental changes in this country and time will tell if we are strong enough and have the will to pull it off. Guess bottom line, I THINK we do have the intelligence, will, ability and intestional fortitude to get back on track. I just keep remembering that our form of government is the worst on earth, except for all the others. I know that I for one sure appreciate being able to have a different opinion than many others and being able to feel safe and secure voicing my opinion and having discussions like we are having here. It will be important for EVERYONE to have their say and to keep an open mind to co-mingle various solutions to come to one that will work and that we can all live with. Sorry to be so long winded, just feel like this is an important discussion that we should all be having in this country. Thanks for reading, now blast away as I understand there are a LOT of sides to this story and the debate will go on for sometime. Gene
__________________

__________________
2016 Entegra
Cornerstone 45B
2017 Ford F150 King Ranch
Ann n Gene is offline  
Join the #1 RV Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

iRV2.com RV Community - Are you about to start a new improvement on your RV or need some help with some maintenance? Do you need advice on what products to buy? Or maybe you can give others some advice? No matter where you fit in you'll find that iRV2 is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with other RV owners, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create an RV blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 06-03-2009, 09:22 PM   #16
Senior Member
 
Workhorse Chassis Owner
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 320
Can't wait to buy the New CHummer from ChungKing Motors!!!!

Gonna run it on ZsitsouPoop!
__________________

__________________
SideRoads is offline  
Old 06-03-2009, 10:01 PM   #17
Senior Member
 
chasfm11's Avatar
 
Texas Boomers Club
Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: DFW Area, TX
Posts: 2,027
I had the opportunity to work directly with many key parts of Government Motors in 2005 for almost a year as a vendor representative. It was very hard for me to tell that I wasn't working with a government entity even then. The inept bureaucracy, inter-departmental blame games and total lack of focus on what as important just made me shake my head and wonder how long it would take for the whole house of cards to fall. I guess we all now know the answer to that.

The most important part of all of this to me is that our Federal government has usurped the authority to act in regard to Government Motors. We will all live to regret that. Our Constitution specifically did NOT give our Federal government that kind of power and on purpose. Because the results are the same a Venezuela. No, this isn't a political statement. All political parties are in this mess up to their necks. Chavez has directly nationalized many industries - and now so has our government. As painful as a direct bankruptcy might have been, it would have been far better for General Motors than to have it become Government Motors. We are all sitting here, concentrating on this problem when most of our banking system is in exactly the same position - Federal government owned. The "stress test" accomplished nothing but securing that government ownership. We are only a very short distance for our Federal government owning our health care system, too. Even Chavez isn't that bold.

Call me chicken little but I feel big hunks of things hitting me in the head. I think it is pieces of the Constitutional structure that made this country great crumbling around us. The problem is much bigger than unions, bad management or building cars that no one will want to buy.
__________________
2000 Georgie Boy Landau 36' DP
2005 Saturn Vue toad
KF5-NJY
chasfm11 is offline  
Old 06-03-2009, 10:41 PM   #18
Senior Member
 
UFO Pilot's Avatar
 
Winnebago Owners Club
Workhorse Chassis Owner
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sonoma County, CA
Posts: 4,611
The problem with GM and many others is just like the problem in Cities and Counties in California. The pension plans are so underfunded that the "parent companies" can't possibly pay them now or in the future. Promises were made that can't be changed and now they can't be kept, leaving bankruptcy as the only alternative. I am not against pensions as I receive one my self. The difference in my pension is no COLA's, so my pension has remained the same for the last 18 years. The cities and the counties (and possible the state of California) will have to declare bankruptcy to get out from under the underfunded pension mess.
__________________
Wayne & Roberta and Maggie the Miracle Dog
08 Winnebago Destination 39W Gas UFO Workhorse Chassis
Making the Journey in our Destination

UFO Pilot is offline  
Old 06-04-2009, 01:29 AM   #19
Senior Member
 
jeeprubi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Milan, TN
Posts: 450
We wrecked our 2005 Jeep Liberty that was our toad. After we return from Alaska, we will have to buy a new toad.

The two vehicles I am interested in are a Jeep Wrangler Sahara (Chrysler) or a Saturn Vue (GM). I have basically decided not to buy the Saturn Vue if they are still owned by GM and run by Obama as the real CEO of GM and by the UAW. If Chrysler looks viable, then I will probably buy the Jeep Wrangler because it is the one I want.

I wish that Ford would buy Jeep from Chrysler. Ford is the only one of the Big 3 not sticking it to the American people.

I feel that after Obama gets through dictating to the car industry on what cars we the American public want to buy, that they will not make any vehicles worth having. I wonder if GM will name any of their "Green" cars the Obamamobile?
__________________
2006 Travel Supreme Select 45DL24
2013 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon. 35" tires, 4" lift
jeeprubi is offline  
Old 06-04-2009, 06:14 AM   #20
Senior Member
 
beaverjim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Punta Gorda Fl
Posts: 785
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigSkyBob View Post
Well, you could be driving a Monaco coach and towing a Dodge pickup
i resemble that remark
__________________
Jim & Sue
2017 Cambria/Aspect30j
2012 Turbo Beetle
beaverjim is offline  
Old 06-04-2009, 07:06 AM   #21
Junior Member
 
Florida Cooters Club
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 26
Thankfully we now have the Congress poised to run the major auto industry on our behalf. They, this and previous administrations, have demonstrated such a true ability to get things done right and under time and coast analysis, that not trusting in their managerial ability would be downright non American. The appointment of a car czar with little or no experience in his area of domain should insure us all of the Governments' consistency in matters of using taxpayer funds for taxpayers advantage. In other words..Oh Boy!

Best to all..Jack&Rita
__________________
widowson1968 is offline  
Old 06-04-2009, 07:48 AM   #22
Administrator in Memoriam
 
Hitchhiker's Avatar


 
Appalachian Campers
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Buladean, NC
Posts: 8,127
Copied and pasted from our Community Rules:

Quote:
Be Appropriate!
Please don't post it here if you wouldn't say it to your grandmother. Posts containing explicit, obscene or vulgar language, images or links to websites with adult content/images or punctuation marks designed to "trick" our obscenity filter may be removed or edited at our discretion. Discussion of politics and religion is not permitted.
__________________
'11 GMC Acadia SLT AWD
'11 GMC Sierra 1500 4x4 Extended Cab
Hitchhiker is offline  
Old 06-04-2009, 07:55 AM   #23
Senior Member
 
69RoadRunner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Northern Virginny
Posts: 701
When a union says we will shut down your business unless you agree to our terms, that's not exactly making the best agreement for the long-term future of the company. That's extortion.

The union employee is free to quit and find a better employer if the terms are not acceptible. An employer can't negotiate with a different union if the terms are not acceptible.
__________________
09 Newmar Ventana 3942 (bunkbeds for the munchkins)
08 Ford Taurus X AWD Toad
69 Road Runner Convertible 528 Hemi 4 Speed
69RoadRunner is offline  
Old 06-04-2009, 07:59 AM   #24
Senior Member
 
SeeTheUSA's Avatar
 
Winnebago Owners Club
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,454
EASY payments --- and we've gone GREEN

Look at the bright side of this . . . the manner in which you make your car payments is much easier AND we are all a bit GREENER

How you ask?

Easy Car payments? --- now they require no silly coupons or checks or stamps --- they are just withheld from your paychecks for the next . . . hmmm . . . well, forever. Same goes for your kids' and grandkids' earnings. The payments are embedded in the "taxes withheld" category.

A Bit Greener? --- you'll not add to any global warming or ozone or carbon monoxide issues because you don't ever get to drive the new car for which the payments are made!

See --- it's a fabulous plan! Plus corporate executives and managers still get their big bonuses and workers will likely still get better pensions and health care coverage than you. What a country! Ingenious . . .

BUY AMERICAN . . . and use the EASY PAYMENT PLAN!!



Whew --- glad that's done . . . now let's go tackle heath care.
__________________
Warren and Debbie, Deep in The Heart of Texas, 2018 Winnebago View 24D
2014 Tiffin Breeze 32BR, 2012 Winnebago Navion 24G, 2006 Winnebago View 23H
SeeTheUSA is offline  
Old 06-04-2009, 11:39 AM   #25
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Auburn, CA, Havasu, AZ & Mulege, BCS
Posts: 5,217
This advice to a 58 year old contemplating retiring early, buying a coach & hitting the road, yesterday off the Yahoo Diesel RV Group:

There are a lot of real good used deals out there, just let your fingers do the walking. And if you get upside down when you are done, just walk away from it. Finance it with Government Motors Acceptance Corporation and you will have no worries.
__________________
Baja-tested '08 2-slide 36'
Alpine: The Ultimate DIY'er Project
EngineerMike is offline  
Old 06-04-2009, 03:58 PM   #26
Senior Member
 
machman72's Avatar
 
Appalachian Campers
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: La Grange, North Carolina
Posts: 327
But don't forget the best part!! You've already been paying for the gas for this car for a couple of years now, so that means you have a surplus of gas for the new car you don't get to drive. Isn't that great!!!
__________________
Your never too old to have a happy childhood.
machman72 is offline  
Old 06-05-2009, 02:46 PM   #27
Senior Member
 
cb5300's Avatar
 
Monaco Owners Club
Appalachian Campers
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,167
Guys, why worry over the small stuff...Obama will take care of us, for he is all wise...
__________________
Charles and Martha*2008 Monaco Signature
FMCA #F388752*GoodSam Life Member
2007 Ford Explorer - Toad
cb5300 is offline  
Old 06-05-2009, 09:33 PM   #28
Senior Member
 
Lindsay Richards's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Tavares, FL
Posts: 1,644
If they do not get rid of that “30 years and out” early retirement plan, then they are doomed to fail again. Any business plan that allows a 50 year old to retire with a good partially funded pension and a totally unfunded gold plated family health is doomed to go bankrupt again. The taxpayers who have to work until they are 65 will be paying for the 50 year old retirees, many of who are RV’ers. This is morally wrong and I guess it’s what you get when you donate half a billion dollars to liberal politicians.
__________________

__________________
http://www.linandnancy.com
Lindsay Richards is offline  
Closed Thread



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Lichtsinn Motors to host May 12 Service & Maintenance Chat at iRV2.com DriVer RV Industry Press 1 05-11-2009 05:56 PM
Lichtsinn Motors Hosts iRV2 Chat Session DriVer Winnebago Industries Owner's Forum 0 04-29-2009 08:49 PM
Lichtsinn Motors Joins ROUTE 66 RV Network DriVer RV Industry Press 0 02-25-2009 09:01 AM
Please Help Me In Welcoming Lichtsinn Motors To Our iRV2 Family DriVer RV Industry Press 14 04-29-2008 05:02 AM
General Motors and Workhorse Expand Class-C Chassis Portfolio DriVer RV Industry Press 1 12-01-2005 06:33 AM

» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:08 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.