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Old 05-21-2012, 05:21 PM   #197
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Been to the Oh-So-Natural-Co-Op for your Organic Groceries yet? Or are you waiting for your mail-order Birkenstocks to arrive so as to be properly dressed?

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For the record, Hadlock is the home of Real People...we don't drink the same Kool-aid those folks in town do!
Ooph, you made me spit out my coffee all over my screen!

As a poor old retired person, I don't think I have enough money to shop at the Co-op- and of course I AM sans Birkinstocks.

Maybe Crocs would do???? I would hate to make a fashion faux pas!
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One of the purposes of SB1070 was to put a stop to law enforcement agencies ignoring situations when there is adequate reason to believe someone they are in contact with is an illegal alien, especially since some were and some weren't. Profiling isn't necessary to suspect someone of being here illegally. Various things, such as body language, poor or no English, driving too slowly (in addition to other factors), etc. are more than adequate, especially body language.

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LEOs are far better at reading behaviors than I am. Many collars for crimes happen because of stops made just for suspicious behaviors which hold up in court. Profiling is completely unnecessary.
Bravo for SB1070. At least someone is trying. But please allow me to correct you on one issue. Profiling is a proper and beneficial investigative tool. Even the FBI employs specialists called "Profiliers". They are very good at what they do.

Racial Profiling is lazy police work and should not be allowed. Stopping someone for being a minority and driving an expensive car (DWB) is morally reprehensible and should not be allowed. Remember how some called for profiling to stop and capture terrorists after 911? "Just not me or my race."

But profiling is useful and used all the time. For example, if the crime is grafitti, I generally don't go looking for senior citizens as the culpable party.

Just like the poker player who understands and looks for "tells", so do LEOs. LEOs are very good at profiling behavior, our lives depend on it. BP agents are probably the best. Stand in their shoes and screen the volume of cars and drivers they do each day and you will begin to under stand.

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Bravo for SB1070. At least someone is trying. But please allow me to correct you on one issue. Profiling is a proper and beneficial investigative tool. Even the FBI employs specialists called "Profiliers". They are very good at what they do.

Racial Profiling is lazy police work and should not be allowed. Stopping someone for being a minority and driving an expensive car (DWB) is morally reprehensible and should not be allowed. Remember how some called for profiling to stop and capture terrorists after 911? "Just not me or my race."

But profiling is useful and used all the time. For example, if the crime is grafitti, I generally don't go looking for senior citizens as the culpable party.

Just like the poker player who understands and looks for "tells", so do LEOs. LEOs are very good at profiling behavior, our lives depend on it. BP agents are probably the best. Stand in their shoes and screen the volume of cars and drivers they do each day and you will begin to under stand.

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I'm Canadian, living in Canada. I have crossed your border(s) many times over the last 40 years or so; in a car for the first 30 and in a motor home the balance. I have always respected, understood, and appreciated the manner in which I was treated by the Folks at the border who represent your first line of defence even though there was the odd, overly zealous Chap from time to time. I have taken my coach to the southern texas, Arizona, NM, and California parts many times. My Sister has lived in southern california for 32 years now and we have a couple of what you call LEO's in the family. My Son in in the Canadian Army helping to find those terrorists that many of you don't seem to think exist outside our own Countries. I think a bunch of folks commenting on this thread should a/ pick any spot within eyesight of the Rio Grande or Mexican Border (your choice of State) and b/ drive off the main roads to pick a spot to boondock for a few nights then c/ when you hear those noises at 2 a.m. or see (what you think is) a small group of shadows passing close by or even approaching your site you should d/ decide whether to call an armed Border Patrol Guard(s), State Trooper, or the ACLU? Oh, and don't forget, whichever group you choose shows up make sure they treat your visitor / guests properly, showing all due respect and consideration for their rights, and, naturally taking the time to do so in good order - I'm sure you won't mind putting your Personal safety or potential violation(s) behind those all important considerations you keep going on about?

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Hey, Hadlockian! We're volunteering up here for the next couple months- carpy weather but beautiful scenery.

There are plenty of people who appear to want unlimited illegal immigration from our southern border- I don't know what the rationale can possibly be, but there it is.

I'm pretty sure they are the same tree-hugging, owl-loving, near-sighted morons
that have ruined the forest product industries in Western Washington.


On a happier note, Ft Worden is a great place, we had a family reunion
at the kitchen on the beach last year. What a wonderful place it is...


Did you know that from 1958 to 1971, Ft Worden was a reform school for
juvenile delinquence. (boys and girls)
Our parents threat was, "If you don't behave, you'll get sent to Ft Worden."...


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On a happier note, Ft Worden is a great place, we had a family reunion
at the kitchen on the beach last year. What a wonderful place it is...


Did you know that from 1958 to 1971, Ft Worden was a reform school for
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Hey, Sequim Guy!

Did you know that the Parks Commission came within a gnat's eyebrow of giving that beautiful Park away to a bunch of Port Townsend Empire Builders early this year?

Or maybe you're one of the several hundred people that showed up to say "what the h-e-*-* are you guys drinking?????"

If so...thanks!

Looks like we'll be keeping it yet awhile....
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Actually I don't remember them asking if I'm a US Citizen...
I've been asked twice, once at the semi-permanent checkpoint on the west side of the Salton Sea and once at a temporary checkpoint on the I-8 up in the mountains west of El Centro, CA.
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Hey, Sequim Guy!

Did you know that the Parks Commission came within a gnat's eyebrow of giving that beautiful Park away to a bunch of Port Townsend Empire Builders early this year?

Or maybe you're one of the several hundred people that showed up to say "what the h-e-*-* are you guys drinking?????"

If so...thanks!

Looks like we'll be keeping it yet awhile....

Didn't know anything about that,....living in Tucson, we don't hear much
of your local news until we get up there for the summer.
Glad to hear the idiots didn't get it, too much history there to loose it...

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Bravo for SB1070. At least someone is trying. But please allow me to correct you on one issue. Profiling is a proper and beneficial investigative tool. Even the FBI employs specialists called "Profiliers". They are very good at what they do.

Racial Profiling is lazy police work and should not be allowed. Stopping someone for being a minority and driving an expensive car (DWB) is morally reprehensible and should not be allowed. Remember how some called for profiling to stop and capture terrorists after 911? "Just not me or my race."

But profiling is useful and used all the time. For example, if the crime is grafitti, I generally don't go looking for senior citizens as the culpable party.

Just like the poker player who understands and looks for "tells", so do LEOs. LEOs are very good at profiling behavior, our lives depend on it. BP agents are probably the best. Stand in their shoes and screen the volume of cars and drivers they do each day and you will begin to under stand.

Thanks for your support.
I meant racial profiling (which is still happening, btw) and failed to specify it (sorry) however, not all profiling is good, such as pulling over people in red cars more often than other colors just because of the color, pulling over young drivers because they are young, etc. Behavioral profiling is different; it is based on actual behaviors, not physical characteristics. I used behavioral profiling to determine if a customer that came into my store was going to steal or not.
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Main Entry: 1bor·der
Pronunciation: brd-r
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2 : a boundary especially of a country or state





Main Entry: 1pa·trol
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1 a : the action of going the rounds of an area for observation or guard b : the person or group doing the patrolling


According to the definitions, if the border patrol were doing their job, they would be GUARDING the OUTTER EDGE.

They need to get down on the border and guard it.
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By JACQUES BILLEAUD
Associated Press PHOENIX (AP) - As defiant as ever, get-tough Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio faces a federal court showdown over charges that deputies on his trademark immigration patrols racially profiled Latinos in violation of civil rights law.
After months of negotiations failed to reach a settlement over the allegations, the U.S. Justice Department took the rare step Thursday of suing.
"We have invariably been able to work collaboratively with law enforcement agencies to build better departments and safer communities," Assistant U.S. Attorney General Thomas Perez said.
Arpaio and his department "have been a glaring exception," said Perez, who heads the civil rights division.
The main issue that caused talks to break down last month was federal officials' insistence that Arpaio agree to a court-appointed monitor for the department. Arpaio objected, saying it would undermine his authority.
"I am not going to surrender my office to the federal government," a visibly angry Arpaio said at an afternoon news conference. "I will fight this to the bitter end."
The lawsuit means that a federal judge will decide the escalating, long-standing dispute.

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Yes, Sheriff Joe may be somewhat of an idiot, but not totally, he has been
re-elected each time for the last 20 years.

However, as far as I'm concerned, he can profile latinos all he wants. If they
are here legally, fine, if not, deport them according to current laws.
If they weren't a problem, they wouldn't be profiled.
And if you don't live in a border state, don't get all huffy, 'cause you ain't
got a clue...

Well.......Ok, you can get huffy, that's your right...

But if you don't like my opinion, get one of your own.

(I love this thread....)

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...Yes, Sheriff Joe may be somewhat of an idiot, but not totally, he has been
re-elected each time for the last 20 years.

However, as far as I'm concerned, he can profile latinos all he wants. If they
are here legally, fine, if not, deport them according to current laws.
If they weren't a problem, they wouldn't be profiled.
And if you don't live in a border state, don't get all huffy, 'cause you ain't
got a clue...

Well.......Ok, you can get huffy, that's your right...

But if you don't like my opinion, get one of your own.

(I love this thread....)

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Well, I live in AZ (and have for 54 years) so I'm qualified to get huffy.

How would you feel about being racially profiled if you were a Latino U.S. citizen, be it naturalized, first generation citizen, second generation, etc.? What if you were African American? Would you feel it was acceptable to be racially profiled (and it still goes on, btw)?

A politician being repeatedly elected doesn't mean squat. Plenty of crooked politicians have been relected repeatedly. It's long past time the Feds stepped in.
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Yes, Sheriff Joe may be somewhat of an idiot, but not totally, he has been
re-elected each time for the last 20 years.

However, as far as I'm concerned, he can profile latinos all he wants. If they
are here legally, fine, if not, deport them according to current laws.
If they weren't a problem, they wouldn't be profiled.
And if you don't live in a border state, don't get all huffy, 'cause you ain't
got a clue...

Well.......Ok, you can get huffy, that's your right...

But if you don't like my opinion, get one of your own.

(I love this thread....)

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I certainly don't disagree but this is the tough issue it all boils down to IMHO.

On the one hand we all see an OBVIOUS problem and the solution is just as obvious... but it involves doing things which will be called "racial profiling" and our constitution (which we all hold so dear) says that is wrong.

I sure don't know what the answer is but that old constitution has served us pretty well so far and if we need to change it to fit current times there's a process to do that... which maybe we should be advocating.

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