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Old 01-10-2013, 05:26 PM   #197
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Old 01-11-2013, 05:32 PM   #198
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Technology does improve availability, but we're having to drill in tougher and tougher spots. As such, I consider (defect) spending on hybrid incentives to be helping to push innovation...
Natural gas is selling for 30% of what it was 5 years ago due to the combination of fracking and horizontal drilling. This same thing can happen with crude oil if the politicians will allow it. Dependance on foreign oil is a political problem an nothing else.
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Natural gas is selling for 30% of what it was 5 years ago due to the combination of fracking and horizontal drilling.
Probably true, but you left demand out of the equation. Its cheaper now because supplies have increased at a faster rate than demand. If we were to ramp up NG vehicle production and make filling stations widely available, demand would quickly outstrip supply and make prices skyrocket, right?
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The new technology has increased production by huge incromental amounts. Natural gas just passed coal as the largest prodducer of electricity in the US. The huge deposits of natural gas are vitrually untapped. The amounts recoverable are astounding. I see natural gas as the transportation fuel of the future. Others with great success histories have also bet large amounts of money on it. Pilot/Flying Jay (owned by a multi billionaire who knows about these things) is invest to put LNG and CNG in 550 stations nationwide and over the road truck designed to run on it, (not converted) are being built as fast as they can be build. Now over 250,000 CNG vehicles in America, mainly heavy haulers. This is the wave of the future. There is now a 50 cent per Diesel Fuel Equivalent on CNG which brings the cost down to 90 to 90 cents per gallon. Man would I love to fill up my RV for 90 cents a gallon. See link below for additional information on natural gas vehicles

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Others with great success histories have also bet large amounts of money on it. Pilot/Flying Jay (owned by a multi billionaire who knows about these things) . . .
So the more money you have, the smarter you are?
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Can you explain?

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Well, as to what was here 4.5 Billion years ago this is a clip from Wikipedia:

:The age of the Earth is 4.54 0.05 billion years"

So 4.5 Billion years ago, per them the Earth was here.

There are, however, some who claim to have read the Bible and who say: The Bible says it's only.. Much younger.

I for one do not wish to get into a religious argument and would have said nothing save you asked.

So, folks, How old is this ball of dirt? Frankly. I do not care.
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Oh, one other thing more on topic.

News today had an article on a new battery (Well actually it is a fuel cell but the article said BATTERY in the headline, fuel and battery both inside the article) with an 800 mile range,, Then you change the water and a plate and it's good for another 800 miles.

NOTE: from the writing of the article I suspect the company of inviting non-sciene writers to the news conference, A common trick to get investments.
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So the more money you have, the smarter you are?
You have that backwards. Smart people generally find ways to make money. Over 90% of US millionaires are self made. They tend to bet on the winners. [ moderator edit ]Private money has a much greater success ratio picking winners and losers. This gentleman also just bought the Cleveland Browns which many think to be a mistake, but time will tell. Hard to compete with that buck a gallon. Home compressors are also available for folks with piped in natural gas.
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Oh, one other thing more on topic.

News today had an article on a new battery (Well actually it is a fuel cell but the article said BATTERY in the headline, fuel and battery both inside the article) with an 800 mile range,, Then you change the water and a plate and it's good for another 800 miles.

NOTE: from the writing of the article I suspect the company of inviting non-sciene writers to the news conference, A common trick to get investments.

As far as electric cars go, THESE PEOPLE have the right idea. In a nutshell, you 'subscribe' to energy much as you subscribe to cell phone minutes. Then you drive your electric car, and when it gets low on juice, you pull into a station, and they swap the battery in a few minutes. You own the car, you rent the battery and the power it stores. You can also charge the battery yourself with your own electricity when it's convenient. You may even be able to keep a spare battery on the charger at home, and swap them yourself.

The infrastructure to do this is already in place; there's electricity almost everywhere in this country that there are roads.

They need to make an RV toad version that charges its battery when it's being towed.
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I am not sure if this was posted, but this may add a bit of comedy to the debate.

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I suspect this lady was obnoxious before she bought the hybrid. It just made her worse. I think running your vehicle in a parking lot is fairly routine. I love that cell phones with videos can record this type of thing.
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I suspect this lady was obnoxious before she bought the hybrid. It just made her worse. I think running your vehicle in a parking lot is fairly routine. I love that cell phones with videos can record this type of thing.
Well said. She's going to make some man a fine wife some day.
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Well said. She's going to make some man a fine wife some day.
God help us, she might be someone's mother!! She can then raise someone to be just like her.
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