Originally Posted by two-niner
Ramblin: I pretty much agree with ALL of your posts.
However, all of the rare earth and other metals are being recycled. In fact, Honda does all their own (contracted out). Your arguement is still on the money but with less steam than years ago.
DW has a Caddy with the Northstar V8 and I have a Ford Mustang GT V8, we don't hug no trees. However, my next car (soon) will be a 2013 Lincoln MKZ Hybrid.
The world is full of "pretenders", driving a RV and saying "I am eco-friendly" goes beyond the pale.
Just to double check myself, since I made this entire argument up out of thin air, and after multiple Newcastle Brown Ale's, I did a little math this morning.
Based on the numbers on the toyota website
, MSRP's, MPG claims, etc, I came to the following conclusion:
Camry Hybrid base model VS Camry base model, assume 24000 miles per year usage (which would be low for me, but easy math), and $3.25 per gallon for fuel, which may rise or fall over the timeframe.
Add the City/Hwy MPG of each together and divide by 2 to arrive at an avg MPG for 50/50 mixed driving.
Hybrid = 41MPG avg, $25,990 msrp
Standard = 30MPG avg, $22,055 msrp
To drive the standard model 24000 miles, it will take 800 gallons of fuel, at $3.25 is $2600/yr.
To drive the hybrid those 24000 miles, it will take 585 gallons of fuel, at $3.25 is about $1900/yr
The fuel cost difference is $700, the difference in msrp is $3935 for a payback of 5.62 years before you see any savings from increased fuel economy.
Over those 5.62 years, you will have driven about 135,000 miles.
The battery waranty is 100,000 miles, but you have to get 135,000 miles out of it for payback. Possible... probable, even.
Most people I know don't drive a car more than 5 years. They take out a 60 month note on one, and trade it in for the "new car smell" (and another 60 month note) as soon as they pay it off. (I never understood this behavior) But in order to achieve ANY savings, they would have to drive this one almost 6 years, AND get 33% more life out of the original battery than it is warranted for.
Knowing the folks in the original post as I do, I will virtually guarantee they will be shopping for another new car in 5 years, and will never recoup their hybrid investment.