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Old 06-13-2012, 01:06 PM   #15
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Ramblin: I pretty much agree with ALL of your posts.

However, all of the rare earth and other metals are being recycled. In fact, Honda does all their own (contracted out). Your arguement is still on the money but with less steam than years ago.

DW has a Caddy with the Northstar V8 and I have a Ford Mustang GT V8, we don't hug no trees. However, my next car (soon) will be a 2013 Lincoln MKZ Hybrid.

The world is full of "pretenders", driving a RV and saying "I am eco-friendly" goes beyond the pale.

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Just remind the hybrid owners that alot of states are considering mandating a new tax per mile system for their high efficiency vehicles because they're causing gas tax revenues to fall off .
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Ahhh... if we could only do that here on the forum.

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Old 06-13-2012, 01:20 PM   #18
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At least you were not talking union verses non union. Gets ugly.
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The really funny part about this discussion is...... VW has diesels that get the same mileage and no adverse impact on the environment. Meaning the harm done to the environment caused by mining, processing, making, and disposing of the hazardous materials in the batteries. Not to mention the fire hazard in case of an accident.
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I get amused when "smug" Prius types think the world cares about their eco friendliness.
In reality no fleet manager takes them serious. For commericial delivery types... the Japanese 4 cylinder is still the king. (Toyota or Honda). Even on the domestic front... nothing compares. Im talking vehicles that go 6 digits in a given calender year on fuel, oil changes, and tires. Ethanol has actually increased fuel costs for those that drive.
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That kind of sounds like my position on the E-xx fuels.. So we burn a little less oil in our cars.. But what about the farmer's tractor and harvestor and the trucks that hauled the grain to the brewery and the energy used in brewing and so on.. Yup, a negative savings.
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Ramblin: I pretty much agree with ALL of your posts.

However, all of the rare earth and other metals are being recycled. In fact, Honda does all their own (contracted out). Your arguement is still on the money but with less steam than years ago.

DW has a Caddy with the Northstar V8 and I have a Ford Mustang GT V8, we don't hug no trees. However, my next car (soon) will be a 2013 Lincoln MKZ Hybrid.

The world is full of "pretenders", driving a RV and saying "I am eco-friendly" goes beyond the pale.

Kerry
Just to double check myself, since I made this entire argument up out of thin air, and after multiple Newcastle Brown Ale's, I did a little math this morning.

Based on the numbers on the toyota website, MSRP's, MPG claims, etc, I came to the following conclusion:

Camry Hybrid base model VS Camry base model, assume 24000 miles per year usage (which would be low for me, but easy math), and $3.25 per gallon for fuel, which may rise or fall over the timeframe.

Add the City/Hwy MPG of each together and divide by 2 to arrive at an avg MPG for 50/50 mixed driving.

Hybrid = 41MPG avg, $25,990 msrp
Standard = 30MPG avg, $22,055 msrp

To drive the standard model 24000 miles, it will take 800 gallons of fuel, at $3.25 is $2600/yr.

To drive the hybrid those 24000 miles, it will take 585 gallons of fuel, at $3.25 is about $1900/yr

The fuel cost difference is $700, the difference in msrp is $3935 for a payback of 5.62 years before you see any savings from increased fuel economy.

Over those 5.62 years, you will have driven about 135,000 miles.

The battery waranty is 100,000 miles, but you have to get 135,000 miles out of it for payback. Possible... probable, even.

Most people I know don't drive a car more than 5 years. They take out a 60 month note on one, and trade it in for the "new car smell" (and another 60 month note) as soon as they pay it off. (I never understood this behavior) But in order to achieve ANY savings, they would have to drive this one almost 6 years, AND get 33% more life out of the original battery than it is warranted for.

Knowing the folks in the original post as I do, I will virtually guarantee they will be shopping for another new car in 5 years, and will never recoup their hybrid investment.
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Great thread. I had to go do a couple lines of Ginkgo Biloba just to keep up.
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Ramblin: I was not implying you are a "pretender". You are a straight shooter.

And Newcastle Brown Ale does make one's thinking more clear. Seasonal Blue Moon is real clarity, you may want to give them a try.

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Most people I know don't drive a car more than 5 years. They take out a 60 month note on one, and trade it in for the "new car smell" (and another 60 month note) as soon as they pay it off. (I never understood this behavior) But in order to achieve ANY savings, they would have to drive this one almost 6 years, AND get 33% more life out of the original battery than it is warranted for.
I have this 18 YO truck that has ~140k on it. The door seals are so good, I still have to crack a window if I want the doors to close on the first try. Over 18 years and zero door dings. Why would I need a new truck or payments?

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dunner... does that have a 360 engine? If so...that ads a whole dimension of irony to this thread...lol.

360 magnum engine is the #1 powerplant on the EPA "hit list"...lol. Cash for clunkers and what not.
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I have this 18 YO truck that has ~140k on it. The door seals are so good, I still have to crack a window if I want the doors to close on the first try. Over 18 years and zero door dings. Why would I need a new truck or payments?

My way of thinking exactly. I buy a vehicle, and drive the wheels off it.
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