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Old 06-15-2012, 05:30 PM   #57
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more like 76 actually. the car paid for itself in a year and a half, IIRC. i drive it to work and back every day, unless i take the rv to keep it limbered up. that blows about a weeks worth of gas for the honda, but oh well. i need a bumper sticker that says "I'm saving gas...for my RV!"
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Old 06-15-2012, 05:52 PM   #58
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"Green Energy" means it was generated using "Green Backs" from the likes of you and me. The public at large has been brainwashed into thinking they are saving the planet. I say Bull$$$$.
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Old 06-15-2012, 06:09 PM   #59
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Ah yes, the smell of burning dead cow. Love it!

I prefer to think of it as temperature enhanced, deceased bovine tissue....

In other words......Yummy....

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Old 06-15-2012, 06:35 PM   #60
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I'll keep my '08 Smart car. over three years old and only maintenance is a lawn mower oil filter and 3-1/2 qts oil/year. 44.6MPG. $12,800 New. $45,000 for a Volt is a joke.
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Old 06-15-2012, 07:10 PM   #61
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I bought a Escape Hybrid in 2006. At the time yhr rocket scientist in Washington decided to give back the difference in cost of a non hybrid. So it knida made sense to me at a cost push. I couldn't do anything about the refund program so I took advantage of it. I just don't remember having the opportunity to vote for or against it. This little SUV gets about 34 mpg and doesn't require plugging in. So far I really like the car, but than again I'm not in a hurry any more and if I was 30 years younger I'd say it was under powered. Anyway so far so good. In 2006 the Ford Escape was the only SUV Hybrid I could find.
So last year I bought a 1997 Suzuki Sidekick for a towed. It gets about 34 MPG and doesn't require plugging in, and will never need new batteries. If I were 30 years younger I'd say it was under powered, I'm still not in a hurry.
Last year we didn't tow and rented a Ford Focus and it didn't need plugged in. We got 38 MPG and in fact it wasn't a bad little car. Not even under powered but a bit small inside.
So it looks like the auto makers have made progress in regard to providing a fuel efficient car even without the Hybrid Option.
I'm keeping the Escape for a long time, like until it falls apart the same with the Suzuki.
But it occurs if the Japanese could produce that efficiency in 1997, why did it take a lot of technology and nine years for Ford to match the effort. GM just changed the name and sold the same car as a Tracker.
I really don't care about being green cause in my opinion it's all hype. This administration insisted on making more Green Jobs so they changed the definition of Green Job and the numbers went up. If a person works on Diesel Trane Engines at a GE plant than that's a green job because Trains sometimes move used (recycled) goods.

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I prefer to think of it as temperature enhanced, deceased bovine tissue....

In other words......Yummy....

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Yummy only starts to describe how good it is!
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to me hybrids can't make a good electric or gas car the weight of the opposing systems must affect mileage/range myself i'd drive an old diesel chevette if i could find a good one a relivative had one better than 50 to the gallon
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to me hybrids can't make a good electric or gas car the weight of the opposing systems must affect mileage/range :
Can you explain?

I think you're saying that by having to have both electric and gas systems it adds weight to the car which impacts the actual MPG.... but if the actual MPG is better than alternatives with a single power source why is it a problem?

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That takes a whole lot of coal to charge it.
We buy the wind offsets. The coal to charge it argument doesn't work because we're not using gas. It takes less electricity than our A/C unit.
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We buy the wind offsets. <Snip>...
I believe this is called "investing in renewable energy credits". I keep hearing about this concept but I've never had it explained to me. Could you please expand on the subject so we can all understand and maybe benefit from it? Thanks!
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If most of your driving is 'in city' sort of thing the h-b's do bring something to the party. If a significant portion is at highway speeds the benefits of a h-b start to become 'dubious.' If you compare the mileage of the same car in 'normal' vs 'h-b' is it worth all the extra up front money?

Say you had to pay $4,000 more for one vs the other, even at southern Oregon's price of $4.00/gal you'd have to go through a thousand gallons just to 'break even.' At 35 mpg (not unusual for a regular gas engine auto now a days) that's 35K miles, or how many years driving?
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We buy the wind offsets. The coal to charge it argument doesn't work because we're not using gas. It takes less electricity than our A/C unit.
Wind only accounts for 1%-2% of the power generated in the U.S. Purchasing wind offsets might make you feel good, but the electricity on the grid is generated from all sources (primarily coal - see my earlier post). Any electricity you use from the grid, even if it WERE generated by wind, has to be offset by electricity generated by coal and other sources.

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I agree as well. You really can't beat fresh kill on real charcoal. It's really tough to duplicate that taste on today's gas grill.

That coupled with the other two accoutrements and topped off with some good friendly banter makes for a real winner!
I have a small bag of hickory chips that are sprinkled on the ceramic heating plates on the gas grill. Works pretty good. Plus the grill is ready to go in a few minutes vs. waiting for the briquets to achieve the right glow.
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I have a small bag of hickory chips that are sprinkled on the ceramic heating plates on the gas grill. Works pretty good. Plus the grill is ready to go in a few minutes vs. waiting for the briquets to achieve the right glow.
+1 on the hickory. Hickory smoke is "grill magic", charcoal or gas. Tastes good on everything, meat, veggies, all of it.

For my gas grill at the S&B, I have a cast iron wood chip box that has slots cast in the sides and top. Its about 6" by 10" by 1.5" deep. I soak my wood chips and fill the box with them, then just put it under the grate on the heat spreader on the far right side burner. I can then control the amount of smoke by how high I turn up that burner.
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