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05-26-2019, 02:05 PM
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Interesting look into energy production and use over the next 20 years.
Interesting reading. Whether we drive a diesel pusher or an EV (or in our case both) this is a glimpse into the future of how things are changing.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar..._medium=social
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05-27-2019, 02:29 PM
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I normally look at opinions from a skeptical point, as it is usually not objective. They have an agenda to push.The web address even says it is an opinion.
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05-27-2019, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray,IN
The web address even says it is an opinion.
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Since it's about the next 20 years, and unless Bloomberg has mastered time travel, it has to be opinion.
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05-30-2019, 09:30 AM
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Certainly opinion with an agenda. Leaves out much of the negative impact. Battery technology is not there and may not get there. The load of batteries in each car, at present needs to be replaced every 3-10 years. The longer lived of those batteries are exceptionally expensive. A daily charge takes from 4 to 6 hours.
While electric cars are most effective in urban use, the increase in electrical demand will further tax the grid in those cities already experiencing brown outs during high demand.
Future developments hopefully will make alternative vehicle and power competitive without the large government subsidies.
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05-30-2019, 09:55 AM
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We probably will get there someday, but when is open to debate. Look at the cars we drive today vs what was envisioned by the Popular Mechanics magazines we used to read. Sure, some of the projections did not get off the ground, but there is a lot of similarity in todays cars and the projections of 30 years ago.
IMO, just the energy use of the ev does not go far enough. The entire carbon footprint of these vehicles has to be looked at. They are not cheap, and they are not all that clean if you consider everything that goes into producing and maintaining them. Besides, battery production is a very dirty and polluting business. What happens to all of the by products of battery production? Same thing applies to solar and wind electrical production. Would you like a battery production plant in your neighborhood? The overall cost is not as efficient or clean as we tend to believe.
We do have to keep trying to develop cleaner alternatives, and I believe we will eventually get there. It is just a matter of time.
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05-30-2019, 09:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooligan
Certainly opinion with an agenda. Leaves out much of the negative impact. Battery technology is not there and may not get there. The load of batteries in each car, at present needs to be replaced every 3-10 years. The longer lived of those batteries are exceptionally expensive. A daily charge takes from 4 to 6 hours.
While electric cars are most effective in urban use, the increase in electrical demand will further tax the grid in those cities already experiencing brown outs during high demand.
Future developments hopefully will make alternative vehicle and power competitive without the large government subsidies.
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I can’t speak to how many people replace their batteries every 3 to 10 years but ours are 4 years and 5 years old and neither has shown much sign of degradation. The warranty is good for 8 years. 8 year old Tesla batteries with 200,000 km are seeing 10 to 20 percent degradation.
Charging for four to six hours daily might be the case but only if you are charging on 12 amps 120 volts. On 240 it’s once or twice a week for...I actually don’t know how long as I am asleep when it’s full. I do probably two thirds of my charging on 120 depending on where I park. The average North American commute uses 6 to 8 kWh per day. We are at about 4 kWh.
EV’s don’t check all the boxes for everyone. But for many of us they are a big step up from gas or diesel. Depends on your needs.
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05-31-2019, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by radar
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EV’s don’t check all the boxes for everyone. But for many of us they are a big step up from gas or diesel. Depends on your needs.
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Good to see actual results. I don't have an EV and based my response on articles supposedly pro & con. Those sources can quickly become out of date.
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05-31-2019, 08:41 AM
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How many vehicles do I need? I have two motorcycles, one diesel 2500 for towing and my runabout if not on the bike. Wife has a Mustang convertible for her ride.
Adding another vehicle seems silly.
Most folks I know with hybrids or electric are urban dweller who rarely travel in a vehicle any distance. We travel almost every weekend to places that will not see a recharging station in my lifetime.
Urbanites believe that everyone is in a densely populated area.
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05-31-2019, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by HDGoose
How many vehicles do I need? I have two motorcycles, one diesel 2500 for towing and my runabout if not on the bike. Wife has a Mustang convertible for her ride.
Adding another vehicle seems silly.
Most folks I know with hybrids or electric are urban dweller who rarely travel in a vehicle any distance. We travel almost every weekend to places that will not see a recharging station in my lifetime.
Urbanites believe that everyone is in a densely populated area.
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Good point. There will be some that it will not make sense for some time because of the charging infrastructure.
Curious though. Where do you live and travel. Country, province, state etc. I’m always curious to see how various regions are adapting.
Cheers.
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