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Old 02-04-2012, 02:39 PM   #85
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I'm not sure what China is. It sure isn't "communist", at least not in the sense communist China and the Soviet Union were in the 50s, 60's and 70s. Right now it looks more like an ultra-capitalistic dictatorship run by commitee. ????
Dont forget Mexico or Canada
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Old 02-04-2012, 02:59 PM   #86
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WalMart is sucking the market dry...boohoo
McDonalds is making us fat slobs... Boohoo
Street drugs are killing America...BooHoo

WE are the problem here ! Not WalMart, not Mickey D's or drug dealers or Mexico or Columbia !

Until the American Consumer removes it collective head outta a dark, smelly place and learns to live without drugs, quick fixes, cheap foods we are destined to becoming the slobs the rest of the world see us as today !

Red meat, sugar, crack, and big mac are as common as hard work, common sense, and patriotism used to be... we can change it but for the most part we are content to sit back and blame the Govt, the drugs dealers, the welfare system... just as long as we get what we want when we want it and for the ALWAYS low price who cares if it is killing our country...

How sad for us all.

Rant over !

Now where did I put my fly rod and waders???????
Some of us on this thread, ARE doing our part. I do not eat fast food, I hate it and I don't want to become a fat slob. I don't shop walmart because I think they treat their employees like dirt and I think the quality of what they sell is terrible. I can get the exact same items from other various stores for maybe ten cents or 25 cents more without fear of the product quality control being "dumbed down" to meet walmart's ridiculous price demands. I think I can live with paying a few cents more. It's not gonna kill me. As for street drugs, well never have done them, never will.

So your blanket statement is lost on some people, because they are not doing any of the things you mentioned, HENCE, giving us full rights to say how much we dislike those things without being a hypocrite.
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We all have a choice where we do and don't shop....... If you do shop at Wally World be aware of the consequences of that purchase, but don't be so surprised when watching the 6 o'clock news at night when they report the jobless numbers especially in manufacturing - It would be interesting to see if the mean average wage in the country has dropped since Walmarts total domination
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That is what is going to happen when walmart and lowes home improvement merge....MegaloMart! And that corporation will RULE THE WORLD!!!!
I hate to tell you this Luna. but Lowes and Wall-Mart are both Sam Walton enterprises.. Lowes is basically "Wall-Mart Home Improvement".

Now Home Depot... Is a different company.
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I guess I was originally pointing out that society id succumbing to greed. * People are willing to purchase subpar quality, buy houses they cant afford and running credit through the roof. * The US used to be an industrious nation that many people envied. *Now I fear we are *becoming a nation of instant gratification and demanded entitlement.

It is not necessarily WalMarts fault. *They are just the facilitator and taking advantage of the opportunity. *

I *don't know if there is anyway to change the course that I think we are on. *I just raise my kids to appreciate quality and to consider the consequences of their actions. *I want them to make up their own minds and not become lemmings.

I am sure I will get flamed but I have my opinion. *
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It would be interesting to see if the mean average wage in the country has dropped since Walmarts total domination]
Easy enough. Here is one table - Wages and Benefits: Real Wages (1964-2004) - Working Life
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I guess I was originally pointing out that society id succumbing to greed. * People are willing to purchase subpar quality, buy houses they cant afford and running credit through the roof. * The US used to be an industrious nation that many people envied. *Now I fear we are *becoming a nation of instant gratification and demanded entitlement.

It is not necessarily WalMarts fault. *They are just the facilitator and taking advantage of the opportunity. *

I *don't know if there is anyway to change the course that I think we are on. *I just raise my kids to appreciate quality and to consider the consequences of their actions. *I want them to make up their own minds and not become lemmings.

I am sure I will get flamed but I have my opinion. *
I think you are 100% spot on. You said "becoming a nation of instant gratification and demanded entitlement" which is 100% true and it is why Walmart was able to leap ahead so fast. So, no, it isn't walmart's fault, walmart just came at the right time when america was becoming more and more about "i want it all now".

Even though our efforts might not change much in the grand scheme of things, I think we should still continue in this path, i.e. teaching our kids the benefit of hard work and saving and the ills of buying things they can't afford. And we ourselves avoiding places like walmart when we don't believe in the way they treat employees or the way they sell such poor quality.

And it's easy to blame it all on Generation X and Y (the X Box generation I like to call them) but they didn't get that way by themselves. Too many parents are not doing much to teach strong values.
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A Home Depot Story :
We succeeded in keeping Home Depot out of our town thereby keeping two small Ace Hardware stores in business. Were they appreciative ? Not one bit, in fact they raised their prices !! They now are almost twice the price of the Home Depot.
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Don't even get me started on Walmart. Global domination of the retail market is their goal, and they are rapidly achieving it. Wonder why the manufacturing jobs are going to China? Walmart. I used to have the facts and figures at hand but can't seem to locate them now, but they are almost single handedly responsible for the trade imbalance between the US and China. Walmart in the King of the lost leader, thats where companies drastically reduce prices on items in order to get you in the store and while there buy something else. As an experiment a few years back I did a price check on four foot florescent light fixtures. I checked four stores Walmart, Canadian Tire, Home Depot and 1 other, might have been K Mart, they were all within twenty cents of each other and Walmart wasn't the cheapest. People only think they are the cheapest because they keep telling us they are, over and over and over again. I personally don't darken it's door. They don't need me and I don't need them.
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That's funny! So you guys in Shadow Hills have to drive like a whole 4 miles to hit a Wal-Mart in Pacoima? folks in urban areas have choices - but walmart really dominates in the small towns they move into.

Up here in the middle of nowhere we have a similar problem to the above - a bunch of small business used to a captive audience (nearest mall is 90 miles) and the prices and attitude to match. Not that there aren't really good ones - just that it's easy to run a business in a town that has few choices.

Wal-mart came in in 93-ish, we already had a small K-mart. WM pretty much killed even the good businesses, because they had products that were right up WM's alley. The guys on the fringe can survive. Now they want to put in a Super Wal-mart. They added a food section to the existing store (reducing the already limited choices you might otherwise have in the rest of the store) and when the new one is built we'll just have a big empty box with no tenant (no, there's no other 100,000 sq ft retailer waiting to come to a town of 28,000 and compete with WM) This will match the empty K-mart, empty Mervyns, empty Sav-on, empty Vons, and empty Rite-Aid we have - in one of the highest educated and well paid areas of the state outside of Silicon Valley.

Wal-mart is definitely a two edged sword. Fast company has an excellent article here: Wal-Mart You Don't Know | Fast Company

Watch the growth on this site: Watch the Growth of Walmart and Sam's Club Across America | FlowingData

We used to be a member of Sams Club and Costco, until i started to notice prices in Sam's Club were often higher than in Wal-mart. It's all about suckering you in. The only place to buy angle iron on a weekend in our town is Home Depot. It's 4x the cost of the same stuff at Praxair - and Praxair isn't exactly the low price leader. I'm willing to pay for convenience, but 400%????

Before Home Depot - 4 hardware stores. After HD - 2, and one survived only because he's 14 miles away on the far side of the valley.
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Normally I do not reply to these discussions because it is very time consuming, however, while you are sitting around a campfire and wanting for a short story on the fall of the USA, I suggest the "Communist Manifesto" and you will find the destruction of Mom & Pops by the superbox stores like WalMart. Sam Walton is turning over in his grave with the new greed regime in control. When Sam was alive, over 90% of the product sold at WalMart was made in the USA, now over 95% is made in China alone with the 5% balance being split between Mexico and afew other countries with the US sharing about 1%. Most Americans have been brainwashed to believe foreign products are cheaper, well here we go: Hallmark cards made where? "China"; you can go to Dollar Tree buy the same quality card for 50 cents. What to guess where they are made? "USA" GE light bulbs made, yup "China". Went into Krogers found light bulbs labeled "Everyday Value", half the price and made in Cleveland Ohio. Hershey's candy's made in Mexico, Colgate products made in Mexico, Crest however is made in the USA. Want to make a difference, check what you buy. If there is no demand guess what. Sorry to be a pain and I guess you think I'm a flag waver--You're right! Spent too many years in uniform with the 5th , they kinda make us that way.

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A lot has been said about Walmart getting most of it's merchandise made in China. I'm wondering where the other stores, including the mom & pops (which are not around any more - replaced by quickie stores & mini markets) get merchandise. Surely they are not buying made in USA products. Walmart killing the US - certainly not - it's us and mostly our politicians and foreign trade agreements. Just my 2 cents but my opinion might be considered political.
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Don't know if this passes the political test or not, but it does skewer each side pretty equally...

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I think you are 100% spot on. You said "becoming a nation of instant gratification and demanded entitlement" which is 100% true and it is why Walmart was able to leap ahead so fast. So, no, it isn't walmart's fault, walmart just came at the right time when america was becoming more and more about "i want it all now".

Even though our efforts might not change much in the grand scheme of things, I think we should still continue in this path, i.e. teaching our kids the benefit of hard work and saving and the ills of buying things they can't afford. And we ourselves avoiding places like walmart when we don't believe in the way they treat employees or the way they sell such poor quality.

And it's easy to blame it all on Generation X and Y (the X Box generation I like to call them) but they didn't get that way by themselves. Too many parents are not doing much to teach strong values.
IMHO too many "parents" are not being parents. This has helped pave the way for many of the problems we have now.
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