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Old 03-01-2012, 07:01 PM   #15
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I no longer watch. The racers have more rules than drivers and none make much sense. The cars are as far from "Stock" as they possibly can be so maybe they should change the name.

At one time the cars were street legal, now they all are identical but with different decals, kind of a cruel joke, ain't it?
I must say I agree 100%. Back to the good old day's with the cars and Dirt tracks, the day's of Fireball Roberts and Tiny Lund, A.J.Foyt......Oh crap, I've went and given up my age. Loved to watch those boys on dirt at Langhorne.
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Old 03-03-2012, 08:32 AM   #16
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I once read that Smokey was being inspected by the tech committe for his gas tank capacity. They took the tank out and he made a complete lap without it, seems there were no rules at that time on the size and length of the fuel line
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Old 03-03-2012, 09:14 AM   #17
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I don't think the penalty is much of a big deal. 25 points? But it all gets reset into the Chase, and you can finish 10th in points to make that.

To me, if you want penalties to have bite, it should be 25 points now (to handle the smaller teams and keep them honest) and 25 points in the Chase (to keep folks like the 48 team on their toes).

I don't know if this particular penalty was valid -- and I've heard many different opinions -- but my thoughts have been for a while that, for the big teams, if you don't lose Chase points, the penalty is ultimately "a nothin"

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Not including the post-Daytona 500 penalty, Chad Knaus has been fined $193,500 from seven previous incidents and suspended for a total of 10 races. Knaus is facing a $100,000 fine and a six-race suspension for his latest violation (pending appeal), his first since 2007.

Is he a innovator or cheater ?????? Whatever the case he keeps getting Caught !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And he said he was "deeply saddened" -- and surprised -- that the car he helped prepare for the Daytona 500 was found by NASCAR officials to be illegally modified.

Lets see reread the top of my post

so lets add up the fines here 193,500 from past violations and the new 100,000 fine thats 293,500 i sure could buy a nice coach and travel to all the races with that money LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 03-03-2012, 10:13 AM   #19
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I have been a long time NASCAR fan but they are about to lose me. They seem to make the rules up as they go along and some of the race finishes are starting to remind me of pro wrestling.
I agree.
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If what I've heard is true the violation was discovered right off the hauler and it fit the templates. Nascar didn't like the way it "looked", so they made them change the pilars. Seems like Nascar is making the rules as they go and if you're a big team the penalty is large. Junior Johnson always said "it aint cheatin if you don't get caught".
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If what I've heard is true the violation was discovered right off the hauler and it fit the templates. Nascar didn't like the way it "looked", so they made them change the pilars. Seems like Nascar is making the rules as they go and if you're a big team the penalty is large. Junior Johnson always said "it aint cheatin if you don't get caught".
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I agree it aint cheating unless you get caught ...Problem for him is this is the 8th time he has been caught in the last 5 years
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I wonder if the fine and penalty would have been levied if say, the wheel base on the car was 1/2 inch longer or shorter than the rule book specifies. I thought the reason for the pre-race inspections was to prevent these infractions,thereby making all the cars equal before racing against each other. The illegal pillar was found during this pre-race inspection, and the car did not pass. The pillar was replaced with one with the correct profile, re-inspected and passed before the race. I would think a fine and penalty would be more appropriate if the car raced with the illegal profile on the pillar and was discovered after the race was over. Anyway JMHO on the subject.
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I no longer watch. The racers have more rules than drivers and none make much sense. The cars are as far from "Stock" as they possibly can be so maybe they should change the name.

At one time the cars were street legal, now they all are identical but with different decals, kind of a cruel joke, ain't it?

My thoughts exactly ! Too many rules to try and make the cars equal, bring back stock bodies and let the drivers and cars race on their own without all the "rules".
Remember the Hemi, too fast so ban it. Mopars winged cars, too fast ban them.
I don't care to watch 43 identical "kit cars" go around the track all bunched up because the rules say they must all be the same to be competitive.
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I wonder if the fine and penalty would have been levied if say, the wheel base on the car was 1/2 inch longer or shorter than the rule book specifies. I thought the reason for the pre-race inspections was to prevent these infractions,thereby making all the cars equal before racing against each other. The illegal pillar was found during this pre-race inspection, and the car did not pass. The pillar was replaced with one with the correct profile, re-inspected and passed before the race. I would think a fine and penalty would be more appropriate if the car raced with the illegal profile on the pillar and was discovered after the race was over. Anyway JMHO on the subject.
My thoughts exactly. Next they'll be getting fined for thinking about something.
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Knauss et al are working the Phoenix race right now. The entire matter is under appeal and who knows how the 3 man appeal panel will rule.
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Nasty-Car, sorta makes any rule they want. It used to be fun to watch the races. Now days you can't tell what is what if don't see the name on the car! I give the 48 crew my whole support, they are trying to find ways to win, in a sport where the only way to win is for the other guys to take each other out!
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