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Old 09-11-2013, 01:05 AM   #29
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Geez - F1 is the least spec series out there - every manufacturer has to build their own chassis. The aero rules tend to drive them to similar solutions, but if you look closely, there's very little thats the same.

F1 also got serious about outcome manipulation a few years back. People start to get pissed about "team orders" letting the points leader around his faster team mate. F1 is far more a team sport than NASCAR or INdy, but people recognize that just because the rules allow it doesn't make it right.

The biggest incident came in singapore when Nelson Piquet Jr crashed his Renault on purpose to give a pitstop advantage to Alonzo. From Wikipedia:

The Renault Formula One crash controversy, dubbed Crashgate by some in the media,[1][2] is a sporting scandal perpetrated by the Renault F1 team who ordered Nelson Piquet, Jr. to crash deliberately during the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix, in order to gain a sporting advantage for his Renault team-mate Fernando Alonso.[3]
On 28 September 2008, on the fourteenth lap of the Singapore race, the Renault R28 driven by Piquet crashed into the circuit wall at turn seventeen, necessitating a safety car deployment. This allowed the other Renault driver, Fernando Alonso, to make an early pitstop and subsequently gain the advantage to win the race after starting 15th on the grid. Piquet described his crash at the time as a simple mistake.
After being dropped by the Renault team following the 2009 Hungarian Grand Prix, Piquet alleged that he had been asked by the team to deliberately crash to improve the race situation for Alonso, sparking an investigation of Renault F1 for race fixing by Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA), the Formula One governing body. After an investigation, Renault F1 were charged with conspiracy on 4 September, and were to answer the charge on 21 September 2009.
On 16 September Renault stated that they would not contest the charges, and announced that the team's managing director, Flavio Briatore, and its executive director of engineering, Pat Symonds, had left the team.
On 21 September it was announced that the Renault F1 team had been handed a disqualification from Formula One, which was suspended for two years pending any further comparable rule infringements. Briatore was suspended from all Formula One events and FIA-sanctioned events indefinitely, whilst Symonds received a five-year ban.[4][5] Their bans were subsequently overturned by a French court, although they both agreed not to work in Formula One or FIA-sanctioned events for a specified time as part of a later settlement reached with the governing body.[6][7]

Any time you can spin or crash a car with impunity they've made 'em too safe......
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Old 09-11-2013, 01:35 AM   #30
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I think that NASCAR has now set a pretty defined precedent for teammates helping each other. I am very interested to see how this plays out for future races and if teams/teammates will be penalized when a teammate pulls over while leading, to let their teammate behind them lead a lap for that extra point.

NASCAR has been known to be "all over the board" when it comes to applying rules - heck even the drivers and teams talk about the inconsistency.

Me thinks that NASCAR has painted themselves into a box with this one.
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Old 09-11-2013, 05:03 PM   #31
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Oh yeah, NASCAR has opened Pandora's box and I'm not sure they are going to be able to close it.

Today audio from the 38 team radio during the end of the race came out and it's completely BLATANT that they backed up and gave the 22 car a spot. The communications started before the spin by the 15 or the pitting of the 55.

Essentially the 38 gave up one spot = 1 point, for the 22 in exchange for "things" in the future.

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The radio communication from the No. 38 team reveals that a voice on the radio, believed to be Gilliland crew chief Frank Kerr, tells the spotter to tell Logano's spotter that the track position "better pay big."

"The committee knows what I've been asking for," Kerr says.

"We've got the big dog and all his cronies," the spotter replies.

Kerr then says: "Travis knows what I've been asking for," an apparent reference to Penske Racing competition director Travis Geisler.

A short time later, Logano passed Gilliland on a restart and finished 22nd -- one spot ahead of Gilliland and good enough for a berth in the Chase field.

"Good job, good job, man," the spotter says. "Hopefully we'll get something out of that."
This is just a snippet of the conversation ... and the 38 and the 22 are not even teammates.

Wednesday afternoon, the sanctioning body issued a statement on the issue:

"NASCAR is aware of reports about the No. 22 and No. 38 radio communications at Richmond International Raceway and is looking into it, but has yet to see anything in full context that requires any action."

C'mon NASCAR equal penalties for equal infractions!

NASCAR probing Gilliland-Logano teams' improper communications - NASCAR News | FOX Sports on MSN
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Old 09-11-2013, 05:13 PM   #32
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Been going on for years, doesn`t make it right. That`s why we are former fans. NASCAR was just angry that someone besides them is manipulating the outcome. They have been scripting the races with their rule changes and mystery cautions for years.
Races today are a waste of a good nap.
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Nascar is still reviewing. It may not be over.
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Yawn. Can't wait to hear what fine they impose upon themselves.
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Nascar is still reviewing. It may not be over.
Yes, I guess they are looking at Penske teams.
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Old 09-11-2013, 06:49 PM   #36
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Like someone else posted, its been going on for years. Just now its coming to a head cause of this chase format is all.. I'm with a few of you other posters, Nascar done opeded the box and they will have their lap full of cautions. Pund intended.
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I think this is because racing use to be about who could make their car the fastest. Now with all the rules and crap everyone's car is basically the same. Now in order to get ahead you must manipulate the stupid points. My husband and I use to go the Charlotte races and would watch some on tv but 20 years ago quit because it is not about who can figure out a way to make the car go faster to win and the drivers ability to out drive any more but everyone is exactly the same. It takes the fun out of it. My husband says it is all about a bunch of cry babies. I think they should let them go back to the way it was and let them fight it out on the track. Bill jr should let someone else run racing that actually cares about racing and not just making money. You all are right about how they do the fines it is a pick and chose and soon racing will not be around if they don't do something.
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Seems to me the only way to fix it is only a winner will get in the Chase, no win equals no Chase.
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Or , get rid of the chase
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On Friday the 13th it's announced that Jeff Gordon will be in the Chase as the 13th driver.
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And Penske and Front Row Motorsports get probation for the rest of the year ( funny )
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I saw that today. Does that mean that MWR gets a $300,000 fine and no probation?
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