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Old 09-09-2013, 07:35 PM   #1
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Nascar Penalty

Nascar fans what are your thoughts of the huge penalty given to Michael Waltrip Racing over the antics at the Richmond race?

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Old 09-09-2013, 08:54 PM   #2
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I didn't see the race, but from what I have read, it was a no-no and the essence was caught on "tape". Those jokers have done so much stupid stuff the past few years, I don't really care to follow them. Give me Lee and King Richard, Fireball Roberts, etc for some good ole moonshine racing. All that said, I was surprised NASCAR came down so hard and so quick. What did DW say about it?

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Old 09-09-2013, 09:17 PM   #3
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I saw the race, I saw the "antics" and I'm glad NASCAR did something about it. But: did they do the right thing? I don't know!
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Old 09-09-2013, 09:23 PM   #4
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morally wrong what was done? Yes

"boys have at it"...if that is the case then no penalty should have occurred(IMO)

a black #3 didn't get penalties from that style of driving...did he? (I'm a fan, not bashing Dale Sr.)

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Old 09-09-2013, 09:26 PM   #5
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"Manipulating the outcome of a race" Every thing we do is to affect the outcome of the race. Too many lines and they are all gray.
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Old 09-09-2013, 10:08 PM   #6
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NASCAR had egg on their face and they were forced to take some sort of action. I applaud them for doing something . Not black Flagging Edwards for jumping the restart was the first issue then came Waltrip Racing's blunder.
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Old 09-09-2013, 10:33 PM   #7
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Ok but it seems like the penalties more surround the call to pit the 55, thereby giving Martin Truex in the 56, a few extra points - vs - what certainly appears to be a blatant spin by Clint Bowyer in the 15 which effected the more grand scheme. The 55 spotter, who is the VP of Michael Waltrip Racing, and has a deep history in NASCAR, has been banned indefinately.

“It is our determination that the MWR organization attempted to manipulate the outcome of the race,” said Robin Pemberton, NASCAR’s vice president for competition. “As the sport’s sanctioning body, it is our responsibility to ensure there is a fair and level playing field for all of our competitors and this action today reflects out commitment to that.”
Helton said there was no indication that Bowyer’s spin Saturday night was intentional, and that the most damning piece of evidence in NASCAR’s eyes was the radio communication between Norris and Vickers -- in which the driver of the No. 55 car seemed surprised at a sudden and unforeseen instruction to pit.
I'm a big NASCAR fan and we attend a few races a year, and watch the other races on TV. For me, as a fan, I have a problem with them penalizing the team on a pit call - versus the spin that not only looked intentional, but if you listen to the radio - there certainly seemed to be some "code words" in the radio transmission to Clint just prior to the spin.

Watching as many races as I have, there have been plenty of radio transmissions in past races over team radios on where a certain driver "should be" in relation to a teammate to either: help that teammate get into the chase, or at the final race in Miami/Homstead on where a teammate needs to be to help their teammate win the championship.

If NASCAR is throwing down the hammer on the call to pit a car to "help a teammate", then they damn sure better listen intently to team radios over the last 10 races and apply the same justice throughout the rest of the season.

It's no secret that probably *every* team that had a shot at the chase this year (teams that were not already locked in) had a statistician/person constantly watching the points and positions throughout the race - providing spotters and crew chiefs with potential point scenarios, where their cars should be running and who they need to beat.

I feel this was a team doing what they needed to do to get their team(s) into the Chase - something I feel any team is capable of doing, and at some point in the past probably has done.

The chink in MWR's armor on this one - is that they really need to get some better code words in place before the race weekend starts
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Old 09-10-2013, 07:24 AM   #8
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I agree with 2 labs, Sir, you hit the nail on the head here. Of course i've never been a big fan of this type of format (Chase crap) i'm more old school as to the points system. None the less, you couldn't have put it any better in words. Great Job Sir! One more thing, as Nascar has always stated, with the big fines thye hope to deter any future problems, hah, Now That Will Never Happen, there will always be someone riding in the gray area, "Always"
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Old 09-10-2013, 07:34 AM   #9
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"Chase Crap" is the right choice of words. I think it's silly when drivers who haven't even won one race are in the Chase and drivers who have won races are not. This point crap is silly. Drive to win!
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Old 09-10-2013, 08:12 AM   #10
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Unfortunately, it's a sign of the times. I'm a former NASCAR fan who still watches an occasional race as I did last Saturday (I drove Richmond in one of the Petty schools). I've been a Mike Waltrip fan since he, Ken Schrader, and Johnny Benson had the weekly post race show. Unfortunately, NASCAR is now just money, not racing. The France family has taken it in the wrong direction with admitting Toyota, the Lucky Dog free pass, debris cautions when certain drivers are the first car a lap down and as somebody already said, The Race for the Chase. Sponsor money talks and fills the France family accounts. Penalties have never been fair or equal, depends on the team involved. This appears to be another example. If it proves to be true, Mike Waltrip will have no credibility and will be through with racing.
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We used to be Nascar fans... That's how we met,,, me and DW,,, on line talking about Nascar... Went to the TX race 4 yrs in a row... Now days not so much... Too many rules and regulations take all the "racing" out of it... We did the Childrens Speedway Charity in Tx,, walked around that whole track with Richard Petty,,, part of it his wife was there,,,2004 I think . he treated everybody like family... Just a SUPER Nice guy... And yes, he walked that whole track in his boots !!!! Hard to find that in any sport now days... It's all about money,,, Shame.... I have a few more autographs,, Sterling Marlin, Harry Gant,,, etc... Guys from my time....
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Long time Nascar fan. We attend 4 races a year and camp in the infield at all 4 tracks. We have watched the "system" change for the worst, but still loyal fans. Saturday was a disappointment to say the least. Carl Edwards should have been black flagged to start. Boyer's spin should have taken him out of the chase and left truex in. Nascar picks their battles depending on which driver they are more fond of. Its a shame it has come to this. The fines had to be placed to make nascar look like they were doing something to rule the sport.
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Old 09-10-2013, 10:38 AM   #13
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I didn't get to see the race, I did see some press afterwords. I feel Boyer should have been the most penalized not so much for trying to get a team mate into the chase, but for creating a dangerous situation that could have easily taken out other cars.
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Old 09-10-2013, 11:25 AM   #14
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I haven't been a NASCAR fan for many years now, 20+. Won't even watch it on the television now. BBQ Judge summed up my feelings about this money making venture called NASCAR quite well. foxsports.com has a fairly good review of that debacle. Sure glad I'm not throwing away my money on NASCAR any longer.

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