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Old 11-19-2012, 06:46 PM   #127
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:15 PM   #128
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As a union organizer, steward, and executive Board member of a union I have yet to see a company that has not claimed it was the workers who caused all the problems and a worker that hasn't said its the execs giving themselves 200% pay increases. The problems in companies that are insolvent is something in the middle. I work at UC and the execs there have given themselves huge pay increases, raid the pension plan by giving execs making 250,000$ a year or more a 5% bonus out of the pension yearly, and the regents making poor decisions. And in the current times of austerity, it comes as no surprise that people making 50,000 a year are asking to contribute more to the pension the execs ruined. Then if they argue too loudly the execs say well no body else gets it (a measly pension), why should you. The real question is why all workers don't have a pension they contribute to and why we as a nation spend 70 million on war in the last 10 years but can't fund Social Security or medicare for our own aged population? The banks created the economic melt down and blame a teacher or firefighter or government worker. If you accept the medias reasons you'll hate unions and say they are your reason you are doing poorly. The truth is we have allowed the 1% to run everything for excess profit, pay little or no taxes, and blame the 99% for having done it.

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Old 11-19-2012, 08:29 PM   #129
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And I have yet to see union worker that hasn't claimed it was the company's fault.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:43 PM   #130
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And I have yet to see union worker that hasn't claimed it was the company's fault.
When the top shielf at any company that is failing is still taking bonus's and gross wage increases as the company falls to the ground who would you exactly put the blame on if you only had one guess?
During the auto industries bailout if I remember right our commander and chief fired a CEO in detroit for this? I might be wrong.....
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:54 PM   #131
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That's the bod's and investors, major stock holders choice to allow that to happen. If the workers don't like it they can quit and get another job. It's not their money or company.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:58 PM   #132
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The union settled and the company isn't going to close.
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:01 PM   #133
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And I have yet to see union worker that hasn't claimed it was the company's fault.
So you justify the CEO's outrageous wage increase before it closes up?

If management is going to ask for a percentage of a wage cut they should be taking the same medicine too. But they do not want to lead by example, they want to lead by greed,
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:18 PM   #134
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Just one final thought. IF the union thought it was being so abused let it and its members buy controlling interest of stock then they could set whatever they wanted however they wanted and them it would be their money and risk. But no, they don't want that. They want to dictate someone else's money with no risk.
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Anymore, not that it ever really did. I'm outa here.
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:03 PM   #136
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[Bankrupt Hostess Brands Inc. and its striking union agreed to enter into mediation to try to resolve their differences, putting the baking company's planned liquidation on hold for now.
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That's the bod's and investors, major stock holders choice to allow that to happen. If the workers don't like it they can quit and get another job. It's not their money or company.
One more question: are you the CEO for hostess? If not there is a guy that thinks just like you running it for them. And as the long time quote goes "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" (the working man) How in your mind can you think it is ok for people to get raises and bonus's during chapter 11 and expect or want the workers to take a cut? I might be thinking wrong again here?
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Is it just me or does anyone one else find it a little disturbing that the Tobacco workers are grouped into a union for Bakers and Confectioners?
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One of the reasons for that is Union Membership has been falling for many years. Far less than 5% of all private sector jobs involve a union of any kind. How many times have unions tried to get a foothold in WalMart? Only happened twice (to my knowledge). First was meat cutters and Old Man Walton just shut down every meat sections it had nation wide. The second was a store in Eastern Canada ... he just closed the store down.

One of the major 'union problems' the company had was over 40 different union contracts through their 33 business locations. How the hell can you "manage" that?

You belong to the Teamsters ..... but your truck can only haul one type of product. Company had to buy another truck(s), more drivers, etc. Even if all these guys/trucks were going to the same store.
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The drama contiues

Another news media slant of the dispute: Judge asks Hostess to mediate with union.

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Capitalism built and sustained this country. The U.S.A. is not a democratic society, it is a capitalistic society. True democracy is also called a socialist society. On paper it works, enter human greed into the equation and it WILL fail.
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