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Old 05-15-2012, 06:48 PM   #141
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From the NRA Website concerning transportation of firearms and transportation of firearms in a RV including a motorhome. Kind of interesting what they say about a motorhome.

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INTRODUCTION

Federal law does not restrict individuals (except convicted felons; persons under indictment for felonies; adjudicated “mental defectives” or those who have been involuntarily committed to mental institutions; illegal drug users; illegal aliens and most nonimmigrant aliens; dishonorably discharged veterans; those who have renounced their U.S. citizenship; fugitives from justice; persons convicted of misdemeanor crimes of domestic violence; and persons subject to domestic violence restraining orders) from transporting legally acquired firearms across state lines for lawful purposes. Therefore, no federal permit is required (or available) for the interstate transportation of firearms.

Many states and localities have laws governing the transportation of firearms. Travelers must be aware of these laws and comply with legal requirements in each jurisdiction. There is no uniform state transportation procedure for firearms. If in doubt, a traveler should carry firearms unloaded, locked in a case, and stored in an area (such as a trunk or attached toolbox) where they are inaccessible from a vehicle’s passenger compartment and not visible from outside the vehicle. Any ammunition should be stored in a separate locked container.

FEDERAL LAW ON TRANSPORTATION
OF FIREARMS

A provision of the federal law known as the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act, or FOPA, protects those who are transporting firearms for lawful purposes from local restrictions which would otherwise prohibit passage.

Under FOPA, notwithstanding any state or local law, a person is entitled to transport a firearm from any place where he or she may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he or she may lawfully possess and carry it, if the firearm is unloaded and locked out of reach. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm must be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. Ammunition that is either locked out of reach in the trunk or in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console is also covered.
Travelers should be aware that some state and local governments treat this federal provision as an “affirmative defense” that may only be raised after an arrest. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit has also recently held that FOPA’s protections only apply while the firearm is not readily accessible to the traveler, and that a firearm is readily accessible during a hotel stay.

While this decision is only binding in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware and the U.S. Virgin Islands, all travelers in areas with restrictive laws would be well advised to have copies of any applicable firearm licenses or permits, as well as copies or printouts from the relevant jurisdictions’ official publications or websites documenting pertinent provisions of law (including FOPA itself) or reciprocity information. In the event of an unexpected or extended delay, travelers should make every effort not to handle any luggage containing firearms unnecessarily and to secure it in a location where they do not have ready access to it.

CARRYING ON OR ABOUT THE PERSON

As soon as any firearm is carried on or about the person, or placed loaded or readily accessible in a vehicle, state and local laws regarding the carrying of firearms apply. If you seek to carry or transport firearms in such a manner, it is advisable that you determine what the law is by contacting the Attorney General’s office in each state through which you may travel or by reviewing an NRA-ILA State Firearms Law Digest and the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Guide (available online at http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/ or by calling NRA-ILA at 800-392-8683). You may also wish to determine whether the state issues any necessary permits to nonresidents and how to obtain one, if available. While many states require permits to carry usable, loaded firearms on or about one’s person, some will not issue such permits to nonresidents.

TRANSPORTATION BY MOTOR VEHICLE

In most states, firearms may be transported legally if they are unloaded, cased, and locked in the automobile trunk or otherwise inaccessible to the driver or any passenger.
The exceptions to this rule apply mainly to transportation of handguns and so-called “assault weapons.” The myriad and conflicting legal requirements for firearm transportation through the states make caution the key for travelers.

If you travel with a trailer or camper that is hauled by an automobile, it is advisable to transport the firearms unloaded, cased and locked in the trunk of the car. If your vehicle is of the type in which driving and living spaces are not separated, the problem becomes one of access. If the firearm is carried on or about the person, or placed in the camper where it is readily accessible to the driver or any passenger, state and local laws regarding concealed carrying of firearms may apply. It is recommended, therefore, that the firearm be transported unloaded, cased, and placed in a locked rear compartment of the camper or mobile home, where it is inaccessible to the driver or any passenger.

Generally, a mobile home is considered a home if it is not attached to a towing vehicle, and is permanently attached to utilities, placed on blocks, or otherwise parked in such a manner that it cannot immediately be started up and used as a vehicle.

Once you reach your destination, state and local law will govern the ownership, possession, and transportation of your firearms.
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Old 05-15-2012, 06:50 PM   #142
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12 gauge pump loaded with 00 buckshot.... With it, I don't have to worry about shooting through 3-4 other RV's if I ever had need to use a weapon....

Plus no permit required.... Also - will stop a bear if need be....
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The bill did pass, the current law in Arizona allows anyone that can legally posses a firearm to legally conceal carry it, however there are exemptions as to where you can carry without a permit. If you have a permit, you can carry into establishment that serve liquor such as an Applebee's, without a permit it would be illegal to carry. Thre are a few other restrictions without a permit.

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I did a quick search. In 2010 such a law was up for passage however if you check with AZ dept of Public Safety still issues the permits, I just received mine and they state it needs to be in your possession to carry.

Either the law didn't pass or it was repealed.
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Old 05-15-2012, 06:51 PM   #144
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Law enforcement officials take great care to know the laws they routinely need to enforce.

Asking a local sheriff or police rep what laws apply to carrying a weapon in jurisdictions far out of their sphere of travel, may not elicit well researched answers. You may find a well informed answer, but likely your own research using some of the leads on this thread will result in better information.

No slam on peace officers by any means; the topic is just outside their regular necessary area of expertise.
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For a defense if and when you may have to pull your firearm, there are programs that a lawyer will represent you. Here is one in Texas and they extend the coverage with other states that they have partnered with.
Firearms Legal Defense Program Ushome

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I am applying for my CA CCW and have an interview date set up. I also volunteer for law enforcement and one thing that you quickly learn is that the attitude of the person being stopped or detained is 90% of the game. Cop an attitude you have a problem. Sometimes while performing our duties we have a individual cop an attitude so we call in and request an officer to respond. 100% of the time they cop the same attitude with the officer which means we don't have to explain anything.
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Hope she doesn't blow a fuse !!
Too late. Reamed out a neighbor yesterday for playing music too loud.
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I did a quick search. In 2010 such a law was up for passage however if you check with AZ dept of Public Safety still issues the permits, I just received mine and they state it needs to be in your possession to carry.

Either the law didn't pass or it was repealed.
Neither one, it passed and is a law, you are misinformed. So basically what the
following says is that AZ does not require a CCW inside AZ,
but it still does issue them if you want to use it to carry in another state
that recognizes a AZ CCW.
Any questions?


FROM USA CARRY WEB SITE...............

Does Arizona issue concealed weapon permits?
Yes, even though Arizona has passed a new Arizona Constitutional Carry law that went into effect on July 29, 2010. This law means that as long as you are legally able to own a firearm and is 21 year of age or older, you can carry concealed in the State of Arizona without a concealed weapon permit. You still must abide by all concealed carry laws and off limit signs.
Even with this new Constitutional Carry law, Arizona still issues Concealed Weapon Permits. Arizona is a Shall Issue State and issues concealed weapon permits to residents of Arizona as well as out-of-state/non-residents. Shall Issue means that the Arizona Department of Public Safety must issue you a permit even after meeting all requirements for an Arizona Handgun Permit. The relevant Arizona statute is here: 13-3112. Concealed weapons; qualification; application; permit to carry; civil penalty; report; applicability


FROM CBS NEWS WEB SITE.............

Arizona Allows Concealed Weapons Without Permit



Favoring the constitutional right to bear arms over others' concerns about gun safety, Gov. Jan Brewer on Friday signed into law a bill making Arizona the third state allowing people to carry a concealed weapon without requiring a permit.

The measure takes effect 90 days after the current legislative session ends, which likely puts the effective date in July or August.

"I believe this legislation not only protects the Second Amendment rights of Arizona citizens, but restores those rights as well," Brewer, a Republican, said in a statement.

Alaska and Vermont now do not require permits to carry concealed weapons.

By eliminating the permit requirement, the Arizona legislation will allow people 21 or older to forego background checks and classes that are now required.



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Forest earlier you said, "BTW, carrying a concealed firearm is a felony". This is a blanket statement. It's only a problem if the state your in doesn't allow it, or only allows it with a permit, & you don't have a permit.
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My letter from the AZ dep. Pub. Safety with the CCW dated 3/23/12: "The concealed weapons permit must be in your possession at all times you are in actual possession of a concealed weapon and are required by any other law to carry it".

There are no exceptions listed, interesting huh?
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Law enforcement officials take great care to know the laws they routinely need to enforce...
Not always. I had one of Tempe's finest hassle me over an inflatable boat I once had I was going to use to fish on a local puddle even though it was licensed with the State and I had a City permit. He felt it was a raft which the City does prohibit. A quick call to Police HQ got that staightened out.

As good as most LEOs are, they are still capable of errors, faulty judgement calls, etc.
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I found a good explanation of AZ NEW CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY LAW: Arizona's Constitutional Carry Law

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The new constitutional carry law does not mean the end of the concealed weapon permit (CCW) program in Arizona. While this new law will allow anyone 21 or older to carry a weapon concealed on their person - so long as they are not a prohibited possessor,* (Convicted Felons, most Domestic Violence convictions, minors, crazy people, illegal aliens, etc) - but there are a number of restrictions; and the benefits of obtaining a CCW permit are many.

The new law will NOT allow a person to carry concealed in Bars or Restaurants that serve alcohol or Federal Gun Free School Zones unless that person possesses a valid CCW permit from Arizona, or another state, so long as that person is a resident of the state the permit was issued in. A.R.S. 13-3102 will still prohibit transporting concealed weapons in vehicles without a permit unless the weapon is wholly or partially visible to an outside observer, or carried in the glove box, map pocket, storage container, backpack, luggage or trunk. Furthermore, Arizona's Constitutional Carry right is not recognized by any other state or tribal entity. Constitutional carriers will also be subject to the NICS background check before they can take their fancy new gun home.

So, to review, CCW permit holders...

...can carry concealed weapons in their vehicles while in immediate control of the weapon
...can carry concealed weapons into Bars and Restaurants that serve alcohol, so long as they do not drink and the establishment doesn't prohibit entry with a firearm
...can carry concealed weapons in Federal Gun Free School Zones
...can carry in many other states and National Parks (currently 33 states, see state reciprocity)
...are exempt from the NICS background check anytime they purchase a gun from federally licensed gun dealer

CCW permit holders are also much more educated than the general public about criminal and civil laws and procedures and responsibilities of carrying a weapon for self-defense. Do yourself and everyone else around you a favor, take the class and get the permit. It's the smart and safe thing to do.
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Forest earlier you said, "BTW, carrying a concealed firearm is a felony". This is a blanket statement. It's only a problem if the state your in doesn't allow it, or only allows it with a permit, & you don't have a permit.
I agree, in CA it is a felony.
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