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Old 04-22-2011, 07:10 PM   #57
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Oh. Gas where I live is $4.94 a gallon right now.
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Old 04-22-2011, 07:13 PM   #58
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News today, Obama has appointed a commission to study the high cost of fuel... And study it,,, And study it,,, , And study it, And study it, ,,,, And study it,,,,, And study it,, Well you get the idea.

A while back, I heard the Canadian Government spent $175,000.00 on a study about why the government has so many studies......Figure that one out! LOL
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Old 04-23-2011, 12:37 AM   #59
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A friend did a little research comparing the increase in the price of fuel to the increase the price of crude. The rise in fuel prices is less than the rise in the price of oil over the past year.
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I didn't know Sarah Palin was still an elected official in Alaska???
Does not matter, she was the one who signed the tax into law as I recall, or at least the current level of tax.
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Old 04-23-2011, 12:01 PM   #61
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Everyone bitches about the high cost of fuel but no one will pull together to fix it. I received an email saying if we don't buy fuel from Mobile and Exon the 2 largest companies they would have to lower the cost and then every other company would too. It sounds like a good plan to me but it will never happen. They now have us thinking $3.00 a gal fuel is cheap. One year ago we thought it was expensive. If we don't do something now next year we will think $4.00 a gal fuel is cheap.....
Foolish and unworkable/impractical idea. Hasn't anyone around here taken any classes on economic theory. Five years ago it was GWB's fault. He was manipulating the price. Is he still in a position to do that?

But worry not. The President will get to the bottom of it!
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I know a few years ago they sent out E-mails suggesting a one day boycott... The oil companies all sent out news releases saying it would not work.

The day after the boycott.. Prices dropped
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What a collection of imagination! It is too bad it is so poorly focused. If it were used to find solutions rather than blame fantasies we'd be a lot better off, IMHO.

as for the 'boycott' and price drop - talk about the correlation confusion with causation fallacy.

as for the 'no other alternative' - There are so many other options I really wonder how anyone can assert this with a straight face. Then there's the very basic market reality of what happens when prices go up.

As for the oil companies and the other socialist rhetoric - look who owns and buys oil - see More White House Demagoguery on Gas Prices for some data.

The 'speculation' thing seems to be a new one - but that may be a matter of desperation to get to such an absurdity - I wonder if the 'blame speculators' crowd ever considered what market speculation is really buying and selling.

Of course, there is the 'blame Bush' bunch - isn't this getting a bit old, especially about the 'oil buddies' and guilt by association no matter if the association that is held guilty is a guilt solely built on fabrication?

The disparities by geography is perhaps getting a bit closer to something worth looking into, though. Ever look at the taxes - federal, state, county, and city - on gasoline. And those direct taxes are only the tip of the iceberg of government induced costs all the way through the production chain.

If you voted to pay someone to build an 'alternative' energy facility because it wouldn't be cost effective without that support - you are part of the problem. If you voted against any oil drilling or petrochemical extraction because of fears - you are part of the problem. If you vote against a refinery or other energy facility anywhere near you - you are part of the problem. If you look at everything other than reality to find a source for your pain - then you are a part of the problem.

It runs deep and it runs wide and it infests us. That worries me. Rational balancing of risks and benefits is distorted and out of kilter from what I can see and that fear is only heightened when I see "rip off" as the reaction to global energy prices.
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The price of oil is in U.S. dollars. When the dollar gets devalued, the price of oil goes up. "Helicopter Ben" is printing money until June when the QE2 ends. You can Google oil price charts on the internet, you can see the dollar fall against other currencies. Econ 102
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I hope this is considered on topic. Prices are high just about everywhere and I think some retailers are taking advantage of the situation. Since prices varries much between stations, I believe there is some gouging going on.
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I agree with you as I know of it first hand in our area. I worked for a company that owned convenient stores as 'the person that ordered fuel for the stores and also set the prices". I talked to my boss one day about the fact that the grocery chain that sold fuel was raising the price but we could still make a profit staying at the price we were at. However, I was told that an agreed on policy was that all convenient stores were to be 2 cents higher than the grocery chain.. That grocery chain now owns the company that owns the convenient stores. And as usual, the price difference is still 2 cents per gallon..
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To be sure, I'm laughing. What's your plan? Just do nothin'? Is there some Zen type method to deal with this? It will eventually be proven that speculation is the culprit. People in the know, know that Goldman is evil. If you keep pokin' the dog (that's us), he will eventually bite you. Unless he has been beaten so much he's ready to give up and die.

Tell me the EXCUSE when this took place.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Oil-pr...76769.html?x=0

People have to wake up from their stupor. People here have to stop making phony excuses. It's SPECULATION. It's disgusting. The idiot Hufmeister on FBN TV (with phony concerned face on) just now is saying the answer is to INCREASE PRODUCTION!!! This nut is saying there is a shortage. This is total bull!

This price problem has to be dealt with but I believe the long term answer lies in Stanford Ovshinsky. HE should be running our energy policies. He is an ignored genius. I WISH he wasn't so old. When he dies it will be a tragic loss.




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What a collection of imagination! It is too bad it is so poorly focused. If it were used to find solutions rather than blame fantasies we'd be a lot better off, IMHO.

as for the 'boycott' and price drop - talk about the correlation confusion with causation fallacy.

as for the 'no other alternative' - There are so many other options I really wonder how anyone can assert this with a straight face. Then there's the very basic market reality of what happens when prices go up.

As for the oil companies and the other socialist rhetoric - look who owns and buys oil - see More White House Demagoguery on Gas Prices for some data.

The 'speculation' thing seems to be a new one - but that may be a matter of desperation to get to such an absurdity - I wonder if the 'blame speculators' crowd ever considered what market speculation is really buying and selling.

Of course, there is the 'blame Bush' bunch - isn't this getting a bit old, especially about the 'oil buddies' and guilt by association no matter if the association that is held guilty is a guilt solely built on fabrication?

The disparities by geography is perhaps getting a bit closer to something worth looking into, though. Ever look at the taxes - federal, state, county, and city - on gasoline. And those direct taxes are only the tip of the iceberg of government induced costs all the way through the production chain.

If you voted to pay someone to build an 'alternative' energy facility because it wouldn't be cost effective without that support - you are part of the problem. If you voted against any oil drilling or petrochemical extraction because of fears - you are part of the problem. If you vote against a refinery or other energy facility anywhere near you - you are part of the problem. If you look at everything other than reality to find a source for your pain - then you are a part of the problem.

It runs deep and it runs wide and it infests us. That worries me. Rational balancing of risks and benefits is distorted and out of kilter from what I can see and that fear is only heightened when I see "rip off" as the reaction to global energy prices.
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I hope this is considered on topic. Prices are high just about everywhere and I think some retailers are taking advantage of the situation. Since prices varries much between stations, I believe there is some gouging going on.

StStg1,
I agree with you as I know of it first hand in our area. I worked for a company that owned convenient stores as 'the person that ordered fuel for the stores and also set the prices". I talked to my boss one day about the fact that the grocery chain that sold fuel was raising the price but we could still make a profit staying at the price we were at. However, I was told that an agreed on policy was that all convenient stores were to be 2 cents higher than the grocery chain.. That grocery chain now owns the company that owns the convenient stores. And as usual, the price difference is still 2 cents per gallon..
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I beleive that this would be considered price fixing. If you have proof and are willing to name names then go see your State Attorney.
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Cool rising gaso prices

Hell, a tree fell in afganistan. That is the reason gasoline and diesel is rising in price. I like Donald Trumps idea. Charge the oil producers the same price for a bushel of grain that they charge us for a barrel of oil. Most of the countries are buying their bread making grain from our farmers. Rivrduk
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It is and has always been a case of supply and demand. If we do as some wish, and reduce demand, we will by default give up our motorhomes, our boats, our mobility, and become increasingly dependent on government supplied transportation. Think a system of social values where the government suggests or demands limited use of centrally controlled power resources.
Or: we can increase supply...drill here, drill now. Utilize shale oil. Open Alaska and off coast oil reserves.
Since our current President refuses option two, I can only assume he would prefer option one.
Thus we will probably see increasing prices until after the 2012 election.
It will be interesting to see which course our country will choose to follow.
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I really, really, would like to know just what some of you think 'Speculating', or 'a Speculator' is....?

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